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Paedophile to be Beheaded
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Muhammed Basheer al-Ramaly (22), from the northern city of Hail, will be executed at noon today. He will be beheaded by sword then his body tied to a wooden cross and his head stuck on a pole as a deterrent.
Hmmmmm….I don’t know.
Killing people who kill people will not stop people being killed.
I know what you are saying Mick, and what this guy did was appalling, but
I wouldn’t applaud the Saudis for matching his barbarity with more of the same.
If Al-Ramaly is too dangerous to be out and about in society (either temporarily or permanently) then he must be
incarcerated. It would seem however, that the Saudi method of dealing with such crime is based not on
correction, or even ensuring public safety, but on revenge…and the bloodier the better.
The death penalty disgusts me to be honest. This man’s death will be a circus. Carried out in public etc.
Not only is it futile (because previous crucifixions etc did not deter this guy from raping and killing) but it also diminishes
the worth of a nation and its right thinking people.
Can’t say I am glad to see this. :(
I think that it should be left to the families of the victims to decide on the justice that they feel is required. Although I disagree with the death penalty, if it was my child, I would make him suffer and I think a quick death would be too good for him.
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I think we need to be careful in applying our standards to the behaviour of those in other countries. Perhaps we are not right.
Certainly there is a revenge or “payment” (blood money) culture in middle eastern countries, but you will also find them to be
(generally) very safe places to live. I have 2 brothers working in UAE and I have visited a number of times. There is simply
not the level of crime as in the west. Yes, there is a price to pay (by our standards), but the price to those in the middle east
is acceptable – it’s what they expect.I am also of the opinion that revenge is not a bad (or unnatural) thing.
My wife and I write letters to people doing life or are on deathrow in the states. Very fullfilling thing to do. currently we writing to a guy who is on deathrow since 1984. Can you imaging that. Why do they not just get over it and end it. whats the point of doing that. Now he has life and a death penalty. I just can’t get it. i’m against the death penalty, but if you do it, do it.
I don’t understand this.
Death penalty ok. i can understand. chop of his head, not nice but i also understand. but why killing him a second time by crusifiction. That doesn’t make sence.Well, this is a very interesting matter to discuss…. and if this was a forum in italian language, I probably could right for hours… in english is not so easy for me :(
Anyway, to summarize, I completely agree with George!
All of us, rightly, would say: “If he/she was my child, I’d be happy to see this man crucifix without his head” or “I’d kill him with my hands”…. but the Law, in the civilized world exist just because of this: in order to be over the human passion/feeling and administer justice hopefully in the same way for anyone (I know that this does not happen, but we are tlaking about principles).
If administering justice was left to the single person (and maybe the one affected by a crime) and his/her human passions and feelings the world would turn into a BIG BIG uncivilezed mess!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!p.s.
Sorry for my english… hope you get the point ;)The second time is simply mutilation – as part of a deterrent/revenge I suppose.
No, I don’t understand it either, but I can’t say they’re wrong – considering how much we get things wrong in the West.
Judging on the responses so far it seems to me some people are more concerned about the punishment than the crime.
5 childeren r-ped.
1 left to die in a desert.
God only knows how many other victims have suffered at this guy’s hands.
The laws are there, if people choose to break them then they should be prepared to accept whatever punishments are associated with these laws.
I don’t know what a life term in prison would ever really achieve?
justaguy wrote:
I don’t understand this.
Death penalty ok. i can understand. chop of his head, not nice but i also understand. but why killing him a second time by crusifiction. That doesn’t make sence.More often then not in Eastern cultures, it’s more about the ritual aspect of the punishment rather than the punishment itself. It may not be right to consider “barbarism” in a western society, we may think it’s horrendous, and are perfectly entitled to think so….its not part of our culture and nor have we been exposed to such. But for them, it’s about tradition, it’s about their belief systems, their belief in ritual, god, allah, or who ever and whatever has been the basis of their culture since god knows when.
Granted it seems unneccesary to us, it seems wrong or immoral or whatever, but in a culture that has formed around institutions of religion and belief and kinship it’s absolutely nothing but “what needs to be done”, not “he must pay”, kind of thinking. It’s about respect for community, kinship, and the way of life that forms the basis of thier society as a whole.
To abolish a tradition or societal acceptance like this, in a culture like that, would essentially turn the entire society on it’s head… but thats an entirely different can of worms ;)
plainoldme wrote:
More often then not in Eastern cultures, it’s more about the ritual aspect of the punishment rather than the punishment itself. It may not be right to consider “barbarism” in a western society, we may think it’s horrendous, and are perfectly entitled to think so….its not part of our culture and nor have we been exposed to such. But for them, it’s about tradition, it’s about their belief systems, their belief in ritual, god, allah, or who ever and whatever has been the basis of their culture since god knows when.
That’s exactly the point but it’s not completely true that in our (western) culture we are not used to such a kind of punishment. In Europe, public tortures for crimes were used till the end of XVIII century (think about the guillotine in France, the most famous exemple of public punishment!). Only at the beginnin of the XIX century, this practice was replaced by the prison. The reasons for that choice (that only apparently seems to be mild) are quite complex and open to different theories…. but I think this is not the right place to discuss about the theory of the power although it’s very interesting to me!
I’d be firmly against the death penalty. At least in a circumstance I would. If they were my children I wouldn’t want the perpetrator killed. I’d want to bring him within an inch of his death, then do it again, and again, and again. If he himself were one of my own I’d be against it too. It’s the circumstance that leads our opinion.
Now, some seem all for it based on the crime…understandable reaction. What about the American soldiers who are captured, beaten then mutilated and their bodies dragged through the streets on display. From the Afghan/Iraqi perspective they are criminals and see this as a fitting punishment for bombing houses where children and innocent people are killed. Or what about the Taliban who give the victim of a crime the choice of the perpetrators punishment…often giving them a gun to shoot them in public. Is it only right if it’s in another country or performed on people from Middle-Eastern countries?
Alan.
Mmm I think you misunderstood me a little Alessia, I really meant western society as in current western society, what we ourselves are physically exposed to, and really the people commenting on this thread also.
History is one thing, yes, and it is undeniable, but for most of us looking at this right now we have never witnessed such punishment for ourselves and nor has it been a part of our own society as long and we have been around to witness it…And if we have, we are de-sensitized to it, because the only thing we ever will really hear about the death penalty in places like america or even eastern cultures is severely distorted or filtered by the media. I remember watching the death of one american convict on tv about ten years back…. I can’t remember exactly who it was. But you saw the entire process, the drugs being administered and the guy dying on the table. And for the most part you don’t really feel any response to that. It’s surreal in a sense because wherever it is it’s miles away from you and your life and your society…
Then again maybe I’m just a heartless B**ch :lol:
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