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bad religion
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looking at what happended in the Dublin diocese I know I was right that organised religion is a bad thing
Two thoughts occur:
Do you prefer disorganised religion?
Does absolute power corrupt absolution?
EDIT: just thought I’d be flippant before the controversy starts!justaguy wrote:
looking at what happended in the Dublin diocese I know I was right that organised religion is a bad thing
Organised anything is a bad thing if it’s corrupt although following from BMs comment – where is there unorganised religion?
I would hope that those that carried out the offenses are brought to court and even more importantly those who covered it. There are many laws that they can be taken up on – withholding evidence, harbouring a criminal, diverting the course of justice, etc. And I’m not only talking about the church but the legal system itself too.
Alan
BM wrote:Two thoughts occur:Do you prefer disorganised religion?
No I do not prefer disorganised religion how funny that may be.
But just take a look if you channel religion into churches.
From the crusades to 9 11 to what happened in Dublin. that can’t be what God, Jesus,Allah and all the others might have ment (do i spell that right)I think the Irish people should stay oout of church this sunday out of protest.
hell i don’t even understand why they going at all since all these priest things came to lightThere was large scale abuse and corruption in the church like there can be in government. But as much as you would like to take this anger out on an organisation you need to understand that an cannot paint all an organisations members with the one brush.
Many years ago (14 to be exact) when there was reports of abuse in the catholic church exploded after the Brendan Smyth affair, which coincidentally took down Albert Reynolds government. At this time I got married and the priest was a young man who enjoyed the nightlife and was like a normal person who chose a normal way of life…the way you’d want a priest to be. He was, and still is a good friend. But at that time he was subject to severe abuse himself in public purely for his career path. He was labeled a pedophile based on his career. So before we protest against those who are innocent perhaps we should look at those who are suspected guilty, directly or by association, and take the protests to them.Alan.
I can’t help but think that the plain-living carpenter in his sandals and simple clothes did not expect (nor could endorse) what emerged from his wisdom and charity.
Some respect for “The Church” might return when there is some true humility evident.
One unfortunate thing is that there are countless good priests and missionaries who do exhibit true Christ-like behaviour and lifestyles. They are a credit to their beliefs – but you’ll never see them working their way up the corporate ladder/greasy pole.
BM wrote:
They are a credit to their beliefs – but you’ll never see them working their way up the corporate ladder/greasy pole.
exactly.
or at least, once they get to a point, they are forced to change.
after the last pope, I thought it was time for a real revolution. well. I was wrong.
what they wanted is a reactionary, talking about charity while wearing prada shoes.BM wrote:
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One unfortunate thing is that there are countless good priests and missionaries who do exhibit true Christ-like behaviour and lifestyles. They are a credit to their beliefs – but you’ll never see them working their way up the corporate ladder/greasy pole.
I agree with that, but my point is that the church as an institution is wrong. There should be no church. religion is fine but as soon as you start organising that and form churches or groups, people want to convert others. If it can’t be done by words, hell we take up the sword.
in my community, the church is really important for elderly people…..no question but that it serves an important role. Its the only place where you can go and meet people from the community. Its easy to forget the value of that. To be honest I’m not religious at all myself, but I would still bring my kid to mass occasionally, for that reason.
As an Irony, now at a time when it is at its most unpopular, the Church is probably more humble than its ever been and closer to doing what its supposed to be doing that its ever been. I’m talking about ordinary priest now as opposed to the hierarchy, who still live in Ivory towers and enjoy the fine things in life.
Folks, reminder that discussions about religion isn’t allowed on PI.
Thanks
Mark wrote:
Folks, reminder that discussions about religion isn’t allowed on PI.
Thanks
Can you explain that Mark?
I can’t possibly imaging that a discussion like this could offend people
I’d forgotten this was against the rules. Perhaps this could be broadened to include the thread on where the beheading of a pedophile was discussed? Just saying, like.
Alan
justaguy:
Religous and political discussions are not allowed and won’t be allowed in the future
as they often offend people and often only incite arguments.This has nothing to do with discussing the abuse report etc… you’re free to discuss
that here of course.Alan:
I didn’t think that discussion was overtly religous however it too probably should have
been moderated as you mention. There was a more recent discussion regarding stoning
which discussed religion which was moderated (moved to a moderated area).Thanks
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