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joe_elway wrote:
I was in Microsoft Reading last week.
I used to love travelling over there – what a great canteen they have, and so cheap too!
Fenster wrote:
It’s the same difference, honestly…
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…most of your security boils down to common sense.So true, on both counts!
from a total cost of ownership point of view, ie the cost the hardware, software and maintenance. I can tell you from experience that the mac wins hands down.
BUT. apple laptops are not all they are cracked up to be in my experience
I have had 6 apple laptops and 4 of them have had massive hardware failures. The last one that failed, it was actually cheaper for me to buya new PC laptop (good spec) than it was to repair the mac so it got tossed in the bin
when it comes to desktops though, apple wins hands down. I instal these machines into audio visual shows in visitor centre etc where they are run anything from 10 to 24 hrs a day. The cost of running a PC against a mac is massive. Thats if you include time for servicing updating etc.
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when a mac fails it generally fails in a major way
The speed processing argument is no longer an issue, the major brand PC workstations use the same processors as apple machines etc.
I run two of each as desktop machines in my home office and each has a particular use, this means i dont have issues generally.
The main problem people run into with computers is they buy one computer and ask it to do everything, this is where it gets sticky and problems occur. if you a computer for all your photo processing etc and then another one for interweb use etc you will have far less issues.
I thought this was a photography forum. Damn techies – of which i am one unfortunately.
Ok so I have a Dell Precision 670 – twin P4 processor – 4GB Ram – 500GB drive space and a dual head
256mb AGP Graphics card running Server 2003 ( stripped down ) and I rarely turn it on anymore.
I bought the Macbook as an experiment more than anything else. I’ve been in IT support for about ten years and I had sucessfully
avoided MAC the whole time. Since I got the Mac though I have barely touched the pc. Although very fast the pc is just too unstable.
If I was doing batch work in PS i couldn’t walk away for fear it wuld stall.
Now I do all my batch processing on the Mac and i have the confidence to leave it be and come back later.
I don’t really like getting into debates on which is better Mac or Pc because they both have drawbacks and they both have advantages.I would say however the with the new range on “intel” macs you can get the best of both worlds. I have Vista Ultimate running on the MAC
and as mentioned it runs perfectly.Anyways thats my two cents
ok i’m more the wiser
ive been looking at the imac 20″ with 2gb ram and 256graphics
its what ill probably get, cant wait… :)Just got a new MacBook Pro 15″ last Thursday (upgrade from my old ibook). Its the business…. :D :D
Apple all the way for me 8)why would you say a macbook???
Not that i am suggesting that your wrong or anything
But a MacBook is a cutdown mac laptop, to make it cost competetive with pc brand laptops.
BUT, to do this apple make some quite major compromises.
for example the graphics hardware in the macbook is, Intel GMA 950 graphics processor with 64MB. which in no way is a great system for graphics and photography.
But the macbook is a very capable computer, but its designed for lower end work really, as apposed to the MacBook Pro, which is a all together different machine.
With the proceeds of a car sale recently, I went out an got a mac pro, dual 2ghz processors, 5 gig of ram and a teraflop of hd space. 23 inch mac monitor. Running CS2 which is fast, but CS3 will be blistering, Lightroom is so fast it nearly does what you ask before you ask and I love that I can finally open raw files with preview (I know thats only a software thing, but with no broadband I also have no updates for my powerbook)
All in all, a awesome machine, and once I get a broadband connection at home, I can once again start flooding these boards with my rubbish photos!!
Thorsten wrote:
I used to love travelling over there – what a great canteen they have, and so cheap too!
I have to agree Thorsten as I’ve done stacks of presentations there myself. The working environment there is without doubt top class, I wish other businesses would adopt similar style and make the employees feel special as the return would be there for sure.
But back to the thread….
I personally have been on the lookout for another machine and I have two things to consider:
1) Laptop or desktop
2) Win (again) or MacI am currently using a XP laptop but it is being used for everything and I am not suffering too much from speed issues (other when having explorer, lightroom, CS3 etc all running at the same time) have stacks of memory etc but I feel that splitting chores would be better in the long term. I agree with an earlier comment about not relying on one machine for everything as I speak from experience where I lost a few months of work when I first got the machine to a HDD failure would you believe it during the backup – DOH!!
The other thing to consider is I have bought stacks of Windows software and as much as you have the ability to use them on a Mac, why bother? This is a general question rather than a Mac slating as I am not an IT geek although there are times I wish I was.
Thanks for the comments so far as it is only helping me decide what to do in the future.
Keep them coming!!!
I always love these kinda conversations.
People seem to be very clear cut in their choice but are at times not so clear cut in the reason behind their choice.
It simply boils down to this for me.
Out of the box my Macbook just worked. It required naff all tuning to get right and applications just fall onto the thing.
My pc on the other hand required a lot more fine tuning on my behalf. Minor upgrades, patches and tweaks to Windows OS
are my bread and butter so it’s not that big a deal for me anyway.
My PC will out perform my MAC any day of the week on the speed front however ( and this the big one for me ) if I am doing a batch conversion
of say 100 shots I WILL ALWAYS USE THE MAC. I know I can set it off and walk away, confident that when I come back it will have run.
I cannot say that about the pc. No matter how high the spec ( and it’s a seriously high spec pc ) of my pc, it will still fail, for me thats totally
the Microsoft influence, the day I can get Tiger OS on my pc successfully will be a good day.I have to agree with Graham, a huge ammount of time is taken up with PC first aid, whether it be daily Windows Updates or Norton updates, then you have the possible issue of the latest Windows update not recognising some element of your PC setup. Theres always the restore command but thats not really ideal. I’ve been using Windows for a long long time now and have always been a bit jealous the way Mac users can seem to migrate to the latest version of their OS and not be too concerned about software conflicts, also in terms of appearance the Mac’s win hands down
actally, i think i better explain myself a little better here
I have multiple machines runing different OS’s, win, OSx and OS9
I actually use the PC the most for the photography type stuff to tell you the truth, and although i do understand the issues that you are talking about in terms of walking away from a windoze box i really dont have the same experience.
the major issue with most computers mac or pc is not the OS general operation, but more to do with the fact that people fill them full of stuff and ask the computer to be a jack of all trades.
Its a bit like asking a landscape photographer to be the wedding photographer and the portrait photographer and the street photographer, yes if they are any good generally they will do quite a good job. but if you get a good one who specialises in each discipline you are much more likely to get very good consistent results.
or its like saysing well i can buy this one lens that can do very wide angle all the way to very long telephoto, yea ok it generally be ok, but if you want top notch every where he trick is to get a lens for each job or smaller number of jobs.
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