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Canon 40d
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JMcL wrote:
digitalbeginner wrote:
Is it just me, or is the 40D an underwhelming upgrade? I mean, the price that the 30D has come down to in recent months compared to the full price that the 40D is likey to be, are the changes worth it?
….2Mp resolution increase….. 14 bit colour depth……. self cleaning……… better noise performance…….. higher frame rate/bigger buffer……. some degree of weathersealing…….. camera doesn’t power off when the media door is opened …..
JohnI checked on cameras4u.com and prices they’re quoting seem to suggest anything between a ?600-?800 difference between current prices of the 30D and the 40D. That seems a lot for what I would call an “Incremental” increase. Unless you’re made of money, ditching a 30D to get a 40D does not seem to make sense.
I would certainly suggest that this is a great time to go for a 30D (if you’re Canon orientated – otherwise a Nikon 200D has most of the 40D’s ‘improvements’). I would happily do so without feeling any angst about getting an ‘older, inferior camera’. The 30D, in my mind, is the camera that most people would happily live with for a long time.
I’m a recent Nikon D200 owner and I know there’s an upgrade in the pipeline, but I can’t, for the life of me, think of what Nikon could do to it to make me salivate so much that I would drop everything to get it. Like the 30D, the D200 does what it does very well.
Have we reached a plateau in Digital SLR developement? Is every upgrade from here on in just incremental?
Dave
digitalbeginner wrote:
I checked on cameras4u.com and prices they’re quoting seem to suggest anything between a ?600-?800 difference between current prices of the 30D and the 40D. That seems a lot for what I would call an “Incremental” increase. Unless you’re made of money, ditching a 30D to get a 40D does not seem to make sense.
I would certainly suggest that this is a great time to go for a 30D (if you’re Canon orientated – otherwise a Nikon 200D has most of the 40D’s ‘improvements’). I would happily do so without feeling any angst about getting an ‘older, inferior camera’. The 30D, in my mind, is the camera that most people would happily live with for a long time.
I’m a recent Nikon D200 owner and I know there’s an upgrade in the pipeline, but I can’t, for the life of me, think of what Nikon could do to it to make me salivate so much that I would drop everything to get it. Like the 30D, the D200 does what it does very well.
Have we reached a plateau in Digital SLR developement? Is every upgrade from here on in just incremental?
Dave
I’d agree with most of what you say Dave, I guess it depends on what you’re upgrading from. I think anybody upgrading from a 30D to a 40D has probably more money than sense. But if you’re looking at coming from a 20D, or even more so a 10D (or in my case a 300D) then it’s a very worthwhile upgrade for all the reasons in my previous post (I can add spot metering and bigger LCD to the list for those cameras)
Regarding the price, it’s being offered as a preorder by ACFoto for ?1292, which is about the RRP. The price will come down after all the day 1 gearheads have done their upgrading. I’m not sure what the current list price is for the 30D but I’d say it’s a lot higher than the street price, and that there’s been a considerable difference for a while now. I’m going to go for a 40D eventually, but I’m not in such a hurry that I can’t wait til the price comes back a bit.
Regarding plateaus, hopefully we’re at the end of the, at this stage largely pointless, megapixel race, and that future new cameras will be just incremental upgrades so that we don’t all have to have angst attacks every 12-18 months about whether we need another shiny new toy.
John
Warehouse Express have pre -orders for the 40D due out in October and the price is ?899 sterling. thats ?1324 i bet 7Dayshop can do a bit better than that??. I am sure thats me sold on it , just that and a new wide angle and that me done for another couple of years.
Canon EOS 40D specification, as provided by Canon USA
Home ? News ? Canon EOS 40D specification, as provided by Canon USA
Monday 20th August 2007
SpecificationsType Digital AF/AE SLR
Recording Medium CF Card Type I and II and external media (USB v.2.0 hard drive, via optional Wireless File Transmitter WFT-E3A)
Image Format 0.87 x 0.58 in./22.2 x 14.8mm (APS-C size sensor)
Compatible Lenses Canon EF, EF-S, TS-E, and MP-E lenses
Lens Mount Canon EF mount
Lens Focal Length Conversion Factor* 1.6xImage Sensor
Type High-sensitivity, high-resolution, single-plate, CMOS sensor
Pixels Approx. 10.10 megapixels
Total Pixels Approx. 10.50 megapixels
Aspect Ratio 3:2 (Horizontal : Vertical)
Color Filter System RGB primary color filters
Low-pass Filter Fixed position in front of the CMOS sensorRecording System
Recording Format DCF 2.0 (Exif 2.21): JPEG, RAW and RAW+JPEG simultaneous recording possible. Multiple options for recording images on a memory card.
Image Format JPEG, RAW (Canon CR2)
File Size JPEG/Large: Approx. 3.5MB (3,888 x 2,592)
JPEG/Medium: Approx. 2.1MB (2,816 x 1,880)
JPEG/Small: Approx. 1.2MB (1,936 x 1,288)
RAW: Approx. 12.4MB (3,888 x 2,592)
sRAW: Approx. 7.1MB (1,936 x 1,288)
Folders
Automatically created by camera; can be user-created with “Manual Reset” file naming setting
File Numbering
Continuous numbering
Auto reset
Manual reset (the image numbering is reset to 0001, a new folder is created automatically)Color Space Selectable between sRGB and Adobe RGB
Interface USB 2.0 Hi-Speed, mini-B port. NTSC/PAL for video outputWhite Balance
Settings Auto, Daylight, Shade, Cloudy, Tungsten, White Fluorescent Light, Flash, Custom WB setting, user-set Color Temperature (2,500~10,000K)
Auto White Balance Auto white balance, taken from imaging sensor
Personal White Balance White balance bracketing: Three consecutive images written to CF card for each firing of shutter; Up to +/- 3 levels in 1-step increments
White balance shift: blue/amber bias and/or magenta/green bias +/- up to 9 levels; manually set by userViewfinder
Type Eye-level SLR with solid glass pentaprism
Coverage Approx. 95% horizontally and vertically
Magnification 0.95x (-1 dpt with 50mm lens at infinity)
Eyepoint Approx. 22mm
Dioptric Adjustment Correction -3.0 to +1.0 diopter
Mirror Quick-return half mirror (Transmission: reflection ratio of 40:60)
Viewfinder Information AF (AF points, focus confirmation light), Exposure (shutter speed, aperture, ISO speed, AE lock, exposure level, spot metering circle, exposure warning), Flash (flash ready, flash exposure compensation, high-speed sync, FE lock, red-eye reduction light), Image (monochrome shooting, maximum burst, white balance correction, CF card information)
Depth-of-Field Preview Enabled with depth-of-field preview button; possible in Live View Function
Eyepiece Shutter NoneAutofocus
Type TTL-CT-SIR AF-dedicated CMOS sensor
AF Points 9 cross-type AF points, including center AF point; fully functional with f/5.6 or faster lensesAdditional high-precision, diagonal cross-type sensor at Center AF point, used with lenses f/2.8 or faster
AF Working Range EV -0.5 ~18 (ISO 100 at 73?F/23?C)
Focusing Modes Autofocus (One-Shot AF, Predictive AI Servo AF, AI Focus AF), Manual Focus (MF)
AF Point Selection Automatic selection, Manual AF point selection
Selected AF Point Display Superimposed red illumination in viewfinder; also visible on top or rear LCD panel when AF point select button is pressed
AF-assist Beam Intermittent firing of built-in flashExposure Control
Metering Modes 35-zone TTL full aperture metering
Evaluative metering (linked to all AF points)
Partial metering (approx. 9% of viewfinder)
Spot metering (approx. 3.8% of viewfinder)
Center-weighted average metering
Metering Range EV 0-20 (ISO 100 at 73?F/23?C with EF 50mm f/1.4 USM lens, ISO 100)
Exposure Control Systems Program AE (shiftable), Shutter-priority AE, Aperture-priority AE, Auto Depth-of-field AE (non-shiftable), Full auto (non-shiftable), Programmed image control modes, Manual exposure, E-TTL II autoflash program AE
ISO Speed Range Equivalent to ISO 100-1600* (in 1/3-stop or whole stop increments), ISO speed can be expanded to ISO 3200Standard output sensitivity. Recommended exposure index.
Exposure Compensation Exposure Compensation (user-set): +/-3 stops in 1/3- or 1/2-half increments
AE Lock Auto: Applied in One-Shot AF mode with evaluative metering when focus is achieved
Manual (user-set): By AE lock button in all metering modesShutter
Type Vertical-travel, mechanical, focal-plane shutter with all speeds electronically controlled
Shutter Speeds 1/8000 to 30 sec. (1/3-stop increments), X-sync at 1/250 sec.
Shutter Release Soft-touch electromagnetic release
Self-timer 10 sec. delay, 2 sec. delay
Remote Control Canon N3 type terminalBuilt-in Flash
Type Auto pop-up, retractable, built-in flash in the pentaprism
Guide Number 13/43 (ISO 100 in meters/feet)
Recycling Time Approx. 3 sec.
Flash-ready Indicator Flash-ready indicator lights in viewfinder
Flash Coverage 17mm lens focal length (equivalent to 27mm in 35mm format)
Flash Metering System E-TTL II autoflash
Flash Exposure Compensation +/-2 stops in 1/3- and 1/2-stop increments;Can be set on EOS 40D body or with most EX-series speedlites
LCD Monitor
Type TFT color, liquid-crystal monitor
Screen Monitor size 3.0 in.
Pixels Approx. 230,000 pixels
Coverage Approx. 100%
Brightness Control 7 levels providedPlayback
Image Display Format Single image, 4-image index, 9-image index, Jump, Magnified zoom (approx. 1.5x to 10x), Histogram, AF point display, Auto rotate, Rotate
Live View: View image before shooting on LCD monitor; live histogram and live simulation of exposure level possible with C.Fn IV-7-1
Highlight Alert In the single image display and (INFO) display, over-exposed highlight areas will blinkImage Protection and Erase
Protection Single image or all images in the memory card can be protected or cancel the image protection
Erase Single image, select images, all images in a CF card or unprotected images
Direct Printing from the Camera Enabled with the Print/Share button
Compatible Printers CP and SELPHY Compact Photo Printers, PIXMA Photo Printers and PictBridge compatible printers (via USB Interface Cable IFC-200U, included with camera kit)
Settings Print quantity, style (image, paper size, paper type, printing effects, layout), trimming, tilt correction (compatibility varies, depending upon printer in use)Menus
Menu Categories
Shooting
Playback
Setup
Custom function/My Menu
LCD Monitor Language 18 (English, German, French, Dutch, Danish, Portuguese, Finnish, Italian, Norwegian, Swedish, Spanish, Greek, Russian, Polish, Simplified/Traditional Chinese, Korean, Japanese)Power Source
Battery One dedicated Battery Pack BP-511A
AC power can be supplied via the optional AC Adapter Kit ACK-E2
Number of Shots Normal shooting, at 73?F/23?C:
No flash: approx. 1100 images
50% flash use: approx. 800 imagesat 32?F/0?C:
No flash: approx. 950 images
50% flash use: approx. 700 images(tests comply with CIPA industry test standards)
The above figures apply when one fully-charged Battery Pack BP-511A is used
Battery Check Automatic
Power Saving Provided. Power turns off after 1, 2, 4, 8, 15, 30 min.
Back-up Battery One CR2016 coin-type lithium battery. Battery life approx. 5 yearsDimensions and Weight
Dimensions (W x H x D) 5.7 x 4.2 x 2.9 in./145.5 x 107.8 x 73.5mm
Weight 26.1 oz./740gOperating Environment
Operating Temperature Range 32-104?F/0-40?C
Operating Humidity Range 85% or lessI just came across a hands-on report of the 40D from Tokyo on Trek Earth:
“In keeping with a tradition that has lasted a couple of years now I would like to share with you my impressions of Canon’s remarkable new mid range cam: the long awaited 40D, which just spent some time with at the Canon showroom in the Ginza not far from my work.
FEEL:
It feels remarkably light and “right” in the hand. I think the texture of the exterior is more rubbery than the 20D/30D and 5D, a good thing. The grip’s ergonomics has been tweaked too.LCD:
HUGE, 3 inch deal with very good colors (beter than the much maligned 30D screen.SHUTTER:
Very well damped which gives it a QUIETER quality. To be more precise the time of execution of the shutter release is extremely short, as is viewfider blackout. Remember this thing can do 6.5 frames/sec!VIEWFINDER:
VEry bright and much larger than previous midrange cams. In addition the eye relief (22) is excellent news for spectacles wearers. ISO is indicated all the time in he finder as well as BW if you are shooting monochrome.AF:
Stupendously FAST with comendable BITE. You aim and it grabs, simple as that. All 9 AF pints are now cross type. This is a pro-level AF, very comparable to the 1-series. MUCH, much better than the AF on the 5D or 20D.I mean, what’s not to like about this cam – phenomenal improvements in many areas. 14bit transfer in RAW… ouch!
The only think I have not really seen yet is the image quality which promises to be superb but still…you never know.
Canon is going to clean up with this cam.
Oh and it is more or less weather proof too…“
Obviously from a Canon lover, he’d probably say the same about the new collector’s edition of the Canon keyring (the platinum plating just feels “right” in the hand, the ring is stupendously snappy and the chain links are a phenomenal improvement…oh and it’s more or less idiot proof too)!! ‘More or less weatherproof…’ I’d say less than more..
This is the upgrade I’ve been waiting for from my 20D, and I won’t be disappointed by the looks of things. But my credit card won’t let me so I’ll grind on with the old faithful for a few months more. Ah well. Balls.
In other news URGalaxy have emailed me to say they are shipping 40D bodies from today, available via eBay or directly from them with PayPal. Approx 960 eur + shipping.
Thats the upgrade i have been looking for to my 10D also.The thing about URGalaxy are you going to get a real 40D or is it a Grey market type.I know plenty of guys that have got lenses from them without any issues.Just wondered about camera’s.Also they don’t give international warranties with cameras, so if anything did happen……but ?960 seems to be very tempting.
Just a follow up I worked it out to be ?705 sterling = ?1040 and just noticed on the URGalaxy shop that they do a 3 year international warranty for UK/EUR customers that want to get camera serviced /repaired for ?40??Still under ?1100.As said in previous replies to this thread .Warehouse Express have pre-orders for ?1350 thats a difference of ?250 and thats the battery pack sorted.!!
I had a play around with a 40D during the week.
Coming from a 20D I have a few comments
LOOK,
It appears to be wider than the 20D, yet lighter. In addition the ergonomics are much improved. It sits in your hand very comfortably with some grooves on the right hand side.LCD:
The screen is the first thing you spot, it really is a whole lot larger and brighter than the 20D or 30D.MENU:
The menu layout has changed, making it a lot easier to navigate through all the options. It is based on the 1D layout, colour coded. up down and acrossVIEWFINDER:
The viewfinder seems a lot better and brighter than the 20D you can easily read all the settings (appear to be magnified) and it also lists ISO speed (great if using the camera after a lowlight session)WEATHERPROOFING:
There are Weather seals on all doors and connections, which is great news.cyberspider wrote:
WEATHERPROOFING:
There are Weather seals on all doors and connections, which is great news.Great news sure but it seems that none of buttons or dials that’ll get rubbed, touched, rotated and generally used more in daily life (be it wet, dusty, humid or whatever). Does doors & connections also include the battery compartment with new (or old) grip attached? Ah well, I guess it’s a start.
True about the dials. But it is still much better than no weather seals. In relation to the battery compartment. I was told that the new battery grip will have weather sealing.
The new battery pack is weather sealed and so is the price,I think its in the region of $200-$250 I suppose theres no point in having a weather sealed body and have a non sealed battery Pack…Caught again :cry:
steelydan wrote:
The new battery pack is weather sealed and so is the price
Why? Because ‘Canon can’, the dirty feckers :shock:
:lol:
well just bought the 40D and ended up buying a few more items also (Tokina 12-24 and Lee Filter system). Heres looking forward to it and the credit card bill :lol:
steelydan wrote:
well just bought the 40D and ended up buying a few more items also (Tokina 12-24 and Lee Filter system). Heres looking forward to it and the credit card bill :lol:
Congrats John. Looking forward to having a look at it – I had to put the credit card down carefully a couple of times yesterday!
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