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Environmentally, it’s not as clear cut as you might think
I agreee Andy…and my environment has improved no end since I got it. :D
But… but…
If you have to remove heavy stains from dishes before you put them in… there may be hot water involved in that process. A really greasy pan/plate should be run under a hot tap first.
Then… if you take ’em out and some are still dirty, which does happen, then you’ll either bung ’em in again or wash them manually… which means more hot water and more detergent.
Plus… if you turn on the dishwasher thinking the last of the delf has been handed over… you’ll always get something that was forgotten… so you end up manually washing this. Obviously filling the sink is more convenient as the water can be left for 15 mins after the initial wash for any additional items.
J
There has even been a scientific study into this.
NFL, it even takes into account this sort of cleaning behaviour.
The conclusions are very clear. Using a dishwasher beats even the more careful of handwashers.
http://www.landtechnik.uni-bonn.de/ifl_research/ht_1/EEDAL_03_ManualDishwashing.pdf
If you have to remove heavy stains from dishes before you put them in… there may be hot water involved in that process
No. To use hot water would loose a couple of gallons of cold water until the water from the tank arrived. Use cold under normal pressure.
Then… if you take ’em out and some are still dirty, which does happen, then you’ll either bung ’em in again or wash them manually
The art of stacking a dish washer is an under-rated art. I can provide a course if you desire John.
if you turn on the dishwasher thinking the last of the delf has been handed over… you’ll always get something that was forgotten… so you end up manually washing this
Au contrare, Rodney. With a dishwasher you have enough delph to do the dish washer and survive until someone finally empties it. And it has the added advantage of generating a bit of heat for the kitchen if the door is opened straight on completion…assuming you keep it there.
Ah the joys of meaningful debate…
I’m still not convinced… if there is marginal hot water saving when using a dish washer then this must be offset by the electricity used in the cleansing process?
Alan: Would you really run a greasy pan under cold water, allowing the grease to go hard and possibly clog up your sink? Hot water is a must for greasy items.
I believe that the spinning sprinkler is driven by the water pressure. Edit, OK, I checked, there is a pump so I am wrong about that.
The only electricity used in a dishwasher is the additional boost to get the incoming hot water up to temperature if required and for the drying.
The drying can stopped by opening it before the dry for further energy saving, although I personally don’t like all that damp air going into the house. Of course, damp air will also be generated using the sink too.
I agree with the moisture bit alright. I don’t rate the heat benefits of any appliance that cause excess moisture in a house… not good.
If you’re sink is properly position it should be right in front of a window which if left slightly open for the appropriate amount of time will allow a lot of the moisture to escape… but of course, not all.
And what about all the chemicals flushed down the drains?
And what about the manufacturing involved in all the extra crockery and cutlery
you need?
And the noise pollution?
And the scored glass?Spawn of Satan, I tell you.
And the Calgon tablets that claim to save the inners from limescale build up… but never do.
I’d be curious to see how the Dishwasher Tablets perform compared to a good bottle of Fairy Liquid (good on cars n dirty clothes too) and how they hold up cost wise as well.
PeteTheBloke wrote:
And what about all the chemicals flushed down the drains?
And Fairy liquid several times a day is what???
And what about the manufacturing involved in all the extra crockery and cutlery
you need?Supporting local business is popular around these parts and when buying crockery we look at it as helping some poor man or woman put bread on the table, asuming they can afford a table.
And the noise pollution?
Dishwasher mkII is quieter than dishwasher mkI. MkI used to squeal in proportion to the amount of dishes to be washed and would go on long after these were washed. MkII is indiscriminate to volumes of washing required and ceases to be a pollutant once the workload is complete.
And the scored glass?
We don’t score our glass but it would come highly on any league of glassware, I can assure you. None of your lead glass but more of the Arcoroc functional wares.
I doubt… just a doubt now… that Fairy washing up liquid has the same chemical content as Calgon. I would imagine that Dish washers are more dependant on the break down of dirt and grease by the washer tablets than a good old fashion lick of a scrubbing brush in the sink… so my theory would be that Dish Washer tablets contain more chemicals n’ enzymes and all that.
nfl-fan wrote:
I doubt… just a doubt now… that Fairy washing up liquid has the same chemical content as Calgon. I would imagine that Dish washers are more dependant on the break down of dirt and grease by the washer tablets than a good old fashion lick of a scrubbing brush in the sink… so my theory would be that Dish Washer tablets contain more chemicals n’ enzymes and all that.
NFL…if this is the scope and depth of your ability to converse then it’s no wonder that your missus doesn’t mind you disappearing off for a day or two!
(I’d say she can’t wait for the Mourne’s trip :lol: )
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