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Epson v700 film holder vs BetterScanning holder

  • randomway
    Member

    I made a few scans with the stock Epson v700 film holder and the betterscanning holder (without the glass insert) to compare them. This is a very dodgy test, not really scientific. I have only been using this scanner for a few months, and I am not that pixel peeper type generally.
    I think, there is only a slight difference between these two scans, and after sharpening and printing it’s very hard to tell which is which. Still, when it comes to curly negatives, the glass insert can be very handy and the epson holder requires more patience.

    The pictures below were scanned at 6400 dpi and resized to 3200dpi (in my experience this maximises the detail and sharpness)… the problem is that to present them on the web I had to further reduce them to 300dpi, and so the results are quite far from what I see on the original 6400dpi files. No extra sharpening applied, only the reduction sharpened up the images a bit

    The order is betterscanning above, epson stock holder below. The details are from the upper left corner and from the middle of the door on the left.

    mort
    Participant

    Good to know – thanks for posting this. I have a v500 on the way for my Mamiya7 negs and I was wondering about the betterscanning holders.

    randomway
    Member

    I will try playing with the height of these holders to see if I can get a bit more out of the negs. It seems to me that the sharpness overall is not optimal..

    Anyone tried wet scanning with a v700? Is it possible?

    stcstc
    Member

    i think its only possible with the v750 pro

    there is an optional kit, i have a 750 pro, and you dont get the wet scanning kit with it

    kanxz
    Participant

    Its looks no difference…I have v750, just use the original holder to scan 120 film is no problem, but scan 135 film seems a little bit not focus on the film.
    What’s the betterscaning holder? Could you upload some pics to have a look?

    Kan

    jb7
    Participant

    There’s a definite difference, but as you mentioned,
    perhaps not a very scientific test.

    I presume you didn’t apply any sharpening?

    Tim Vitale, who’s ‘Film Resolution and Grain’ article I linked to a while back –

    https://photographyireland.net/viewtopic.php?t=17961

    responded to a similar enquiry about the V750 recently over on the Large Format Forum-
    I hope he doesn’t mind if I quote him in full-

    Seems like it might be worth another experiment-

    Re: Epson V750 Question

    “Get a 1/16” thick piece of Plexiglas from you local plastic’s store. Use VM&P Naphtha (1 pt from Home depot is under $5) to wet mount the plastic sheet on the glass platen of your V750. This compensates for the above-the-platen focus issues.

    Pick an expendable negative. Breathe on both sides of the negative. The side that curls away from you when you breathe on it, is the emulsion side. Gelatin expands with higher moisture content. Wait 5 minutes for a new equilibrium.

    Wet mount the emulsion side of the negative on the Plexiglas using the same solvent. Apply a little more solvent on top of the negative and seal the surface with Mylar film (0.003-0.005 mil polyester). Keep paper towels around to halt messes. You’ll get to know how much solvent to use soon enough. Use enough so you can move the bubble towards the edge. A light touch is usually better than brute force. This is a test; worry about bubble removal technique later.

    Turn off all automatic scanner functions in the scanner software; all off, no exceptions. Scan at the maximum resolution, using 16-bits. Open in Photoshop. Use to set the tonal range between 5 and 250 (8-bit scale).

    That is as good as it’s going to get. If you like it: good. If you don’t, you are drum scanner candidate.

    Tim Vitale
    Paper, Photographs &
    Electronic Media Conservator
    Film Migration (still) to Digital Format
    Digital Imaging & Artwork Facsimiles
    Preservation & Imaging Consulting
    Preservation Associates
    1500 Park Avenue
    Suite 132
    Emeryville, CA 94608

    510-594-8277
    510-594-8799 fax
    tjvitaleix.netcom.com
    http://briefcase.yahoo.com/tvitalepacbell.net
    [Use of the above URL may require a “Yahoo! ID” to download files.]

    Albumen website (2001) http://albumen.stanford.edu/
    VideoPreservation Website (2007) http://videopreservation.stanford.edu”

    randomway
    Member

    JB: I think, I could play with the distance between the holder and the glass of the scanner, it looks like the scanned images are not perfectly in focus. There are little screws on the betterscanning holder, and it can be adjusted very easily.. it’s just the time.

    Thanks for linking in that method. What do you think, would they have that VM&P Naphtha here in Woodie’s DIY?

    Betterscanning have a wet mounting kit, too if someone is thinking about an aftermarket film holder. I think, I would go for that if I was buying now.

    Kanxz: I will upload a picture, but my pc crashed this morning and I am in the middle of reinstalling it.

    jb7
    Participant

    randomway wrote:

    What do you think, would they have that VM&P Naphtha here in Woodie’s DIY?

    sure, just behind the Plexiglass section-

    I suppose any extremely volatile, flammable and carcinogenic petroleum or coal by-product would do-
    as long as it’s colourless-

    j

    randomway
    Member

    jb7 wrote:

    randomway wrote:

    What do you think, would they have that VM&P Naphtha here in Woodie’s DIY?

    sure, just behind the Plexiglass section-

    I suppose any extremely volatile, flammable and carcinogenic petroleum or coal by-product would do-
    as long as it’s colourless-

    j

    cool :)

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