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Is this a fair price for a wedding?
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Sorry I did not mean to get personal, I was trying to show a point. What some people consider a mad high /extortionate price, often isn’t unless you compare like with not like :) ie fully insured, tax compliant, professional photographer vrs, someones mate/brother in law…..
I then went on to explain just one circumstance where insurance can be important, personally I am covered for up to €6.5m Iaccept my further point about giggling at someones problems was mean and I apologise.
I don’t think that asking about someones tax compliance is necessarily out of line, after all the more people who are trading on the black market, the more prices get pulled down, so not only are people robbing from the exchequer but they are robbing the most important asset most off us have as photographers, the ability to earn money and provide for our family.
notice the way I am professional enough not to loose the head and say f you, another example of the difference between a pro and a …… :)
good luck, macman, but do yourself a favor and get insurance
I never once said I didn’t have any – and once again you are left making assumptions.
The fact is I found your questioning regarding my ‘status’ as intrusive and rude and in pointing it out you became personal. I said what I said in response to your disgraceful comments and that has nothing to do with pro status or otherwise. If someone make a personal attack on me I’ll react and tell that person exactly what I think of them and indeed their attitude also.
As to your suggestion that you’re professional enough ‘not to’ loose the head …. you did sir…. you got personal and by your own admission were ‘mean’ in your follow up – so I’d suggest you not hide your behaviour behind your pro status as it discredits the mantle and no other professional photographer I have ever dealt with would dare to wish such misfortune on anyone.
Anyway, your apology is accepted.
Seems like we’ll just have to agree to disagree on the matter.
And back to the original subject of the thread…. personally speaking I think it’s a fair price… (taxed or not sir :wink: ). That’s your own business. So keep shooting….!!!If people are happy to qoute their prices in these threads, then I’d expect them to also confirm if they are insured, vat registered and paying income tax etc. How else can we compare their prices to the next photographer. Seems a pointless discussion otherwise.
Peter
Paula’s original question was simply ‘is €750 was a fair’ price for what she’s covering.
I doubt if she intended it to be ‘is €750 a fair price, if I’m paying tax etc’, on that figure… as that’s her concern.So in general terms is it or isn’t it…?
In my opinion it’s a fair price, if the figure mentioned is after deductions. If it’s before tax then I’d consider it a little too low as if one takes costs etc, into consideration, whether that be taxes, travel, or whatever, then one would be left with very little profit from that initial figure and probably not worth the hours required.
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Paula’s original question was simply ‘is €750 was a fair’ price for what she’s covering.
I doubt if she intended it to be ‘is €750 a fair price, if I’m paying tax etc’, on that figure… as that’s her concern.So in general terms is it or isn’t it…?
In my opinion it’s a fair price, if the figure mentioned is after deductions. If it’s before tax then I’d consider it a little too low as if one takes costs etc, into consideration, whether that be taxes, travel, or whatever, then one would be left with very little profit from that initial figure and probably not worth the hours required.
You just answered everything that was asked in the very first post…could you not have done that at the start without all the drama ??
I would also like to know are you insured and registered for tax etc…do’nt suppose you could give a straight answer to that as well…without the drama please ??brownie wrote:
I would also like to know are you insured and registered for tax etc…do’nt suppose you could give a straight answer to that as well…without the drama please ??
brownie – Can you tell us how many cash nixers you woud have done over the years before turning pro?
Folks,
you are making it sound like there are a bunch of tax dodgers on this forum. I hope that is not the case but if it is, then so be it ! …….. but do keep in mind that the Revenue Commissioners are keeping an eye on this forum and the net in general. They have the right to full access to all information held if they so wish.
Having had a couple of revenue audits, (something you would not wish on anyone), in my time, I do know the first 2 items they look for are your diary and passport. Now, if they are interested in the diary of a very small studio with a handful of entries like mine, then think of the interest they will have in a wedding venue/Hotel diary which contains (without exception!)the names and often the contact details of every photographer, videographer, band, DJ, cake supplier and other wedding vendors which are entered there for every wedding at the venue. Even if you are doing the wedding as a friend your name is on the diary ………. (Notice the rise in the defaulters listings of “employees” with under declared earnings)This thread has gone way off, so lets stop the tax slagging. The Revenue are now lean and hungry and with the off shore account holders and major players sorted, they now have the time to dwell on, and are now making major inroads into the smaller defaulters. So leave it to them and now that revenue and social welfare are “hunting in pairs” they will sort the problem out.
Lets keep the thread on topic and cut the slagging.
Thanks for the follow up brownie, but if you check back on the thread you’ll notice it wasn’t me at all who started the ‘drama’ as you put it, but moreso brianmacl, and this is the point where the questioning started which resulted in the thread being taken off it’s natural course.
Thank you Tommyb for that little semblence of ‘unity’ and thanks also to GCP for also putting in an attempt to get the thread back on track…. as I attempted to on my last post.
:wink: Hope you all have a great week….!
Gosh folks. What a thread this has turned into. For the record, I am VAT Registered etc. I was trying to keep my prices low as it was for my brother’s friend so was shocked when I was cancelled after I gave the couple my prices. As I said in the first post, I have done a handful of weddings and do not work full time at photography as my children are very young. I realize with the recession that pro photographers have dropped their prices and wondered was I out of touch with my own pricing. Thanks for the earlier feedback but pity the thread has turned nasty.
Yes it went a bit ‘askew’ alright and to some degree I suppose I’d have to share responsibility, but never intended for it to go off track.
So for my part, I apologise.Previously stated by me…… “I don’t think that asking about someones tax compliance is necessarily out of line, after all the more people who are trading on the black market, the more prices get pulled down, so not only are people robbing from the exchequer but they are robbing the most important asset most off us have as photographers, the ability to earn money and provide for our family.”
In an attempt to show I am as open as I would expect others to be:
I did exactly 0 cash in hand jobs before I turned pro, further more my work is commissioned business to business work, which means all is paid by cheque or direct banking so everything is totally traceable and taxed.With regard to insurance, I am a member of the IPPA and therefore am required to have pubic liability
If someone is willing to throw out comments about how some photographers charge outlandish prices or are willing to state their fees surely they should be happy to say what is included with that.
Finally look at the comment that got you all wound up:
“Macman, just wondering do you have pro indemnity insurance, public liability insurance? will you pay income tax on the €700-900? are you VAT registered?
all in, to be a pro photographer you really end up only taking home about 1/3 of what you charge”Perhaps you can understand the idea of a rhetorical question, these questions were not necessarily there to be answered, they were there to help explain the next point which is all in a Photographer may only make 1/3 of what they actually charge.
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No… here’s the comment that got me wound up… your comment I hasten to point out…
“but I will giggle when I read about someone taking a claim against you .”
I’d been quite calm up to that point, just wasn’t answering your intrusive questions which has obviously infuriated you.And congrats once again on taking the thread off course once again.
I’m saying no more on the matter coz in reality you’re just a waste of my energy. I will however continue to read your imbecillic rants, so please feel free to keep me entertained. If it becomes personal as before I’ll respond, if not I’ll just sit back and enjoy the entertainment.
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Before I made that comment you said this:
“As to how I operate, insurance wise and/or financially…. well sir, I’m afraid that’s absolutely none of your business and I’d suggest that if you are questioning one person here then maybe you should perhaps ask the question in general…. to everyone. “So you were getting uppity before I said anything out of line. Your current attitude and lack of openness shows the type of person you are.
Now, look at the tittle of the thread “is this a fair price?” …. ans: well it depends, are you a pro? what is included? are you paying tax? are you insured?
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