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Just been offered a big photo job
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Pricing issues aside… are there any other sort of considerations that have to be made here i.e. Legal and Taxation?
I would assume things like:
* Some sort of valid/legal/recognized paperwork/contract(s) would have to be prepared and signed which outlines the terms & conditions of the service/deliverables/usage
* Most companies only pay out to registered companies with a VAT number so does the photographer have to register a company?
* If you were pocketing €10K I’m sure the tax man would be interested in there relevant take?
Forgive my ignorance on this… but was curious myself.
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nfl-fan wrote:
Pricing issues aside…
* Some sort of valid/legal/recognized paperwork/contract(s) would have to be prepared and signed which outlines the terms & conditions of the service/deliverables/usage
* Most companies only pay out to registered companies with a VAT number so does the photographer have to register a company?
* If you were pocketing €10K I’m sure the tax man would be interested in there relevant take?
1. Your written ‘Quote’ is your contract and it should have your terms & conditions on the back… if you are charging them for doing a job. If however, you are just providing them with images to use, then your Invoice can be the ‘pre-usage agreement’ as well – so long as you present that to them before they use the images.
2. If you are not VAT registered then there is simply no VAT to be paid – so it shouldn’t be a problem for any company.
3. Paying Taxes and dying are two things we all must do :)
I came across this link today regarding the importance of licensing and thought it would be a useful addition to the wealth of knowledge which has already been disseminated in this thread.
Ok, I am still trying to get my head around this.
I just sat down and put a figures to paper.
Ashley, would you mind having a look at this and tell me if I am doing this right?For this example my client is looking for 5 landscape shots each from 2 locations.
Let’s say I figure that my time is worth €300 for a day’s work
(not taking into account that I might actually enjoy doing this).I guess it’ll take me at least two visits to each of the two sites – possibly overnight for evening and morning light.
Let’s say that’s four days in total.
Plus two to three days (at least) for preparation, post production (filing, naming, back ups, burning to CD, etc.) and editing.
That’s a minimum of seven days work.
So 7 days x €300 = €2100That’s my daily rate and that’s what I will use here as my BUR or Basic Usage right. Correct so far?
The BUR is the basis for all negotiations above the basic licensing,
i.e. 1 year, Ireland , two types of media (i.e. brochures & Press).Additional licence period, territory or media is calculated based on a table by the AOP.
My client wants to use these images for 4 years in brochures, magazines and on posters all over Europe, as well as on the internet.So:
add all of EU > price goes up by 200% ,
add two new media (posters & Internet) > price goes up again by 150%,
add 3 years of licence > price goes up 200 %That would be €2100 + 550% = €11,550 :shock: …hypthetically speaking…
Is that correct? …and expenses will usually be charged extra.
Ashley wrote:
Is that 10 images then or 5 images ?
10
Ashley wrote:
That 37.50 per hour – okay with that if you are.
It’s just a basis for my calculations, but probably not unrealistic for a non-professional.
I guess it’ll take me at least two visits to each of the two sites – possibly overnight for evening and morning light.
Let’s say that’s four days in total.
Ashley wrote:Photography = 1200 then.
Not sure what you mean by this – ‘Photography = 1200’.
Ashley wrote:
1. The client may say: Oh in that case we will only go for 8, for example – and if that was the case then you would know exactly what their budget was.
2. Saying 210 / image sounds less than 2100 :)
3. It also helps put a real value on each image – and that’s important because they may not want to run with all 10 at full usage – they may only run with 2 or 3 at that and the rest at just as standard usage. Until they see the final results, they may not know this or want to comment to it – so that’s why you quote them the BUR figure.If the client decides to just take six I will not get the money that I think ths is going to cost me.
So, while I am quoting per photo, do I let them know about my BUR per day and adjust the the image price accordingly?Ashley wrote:
This would indicate they are planning on spending a lot on Media over the next few years – so these images are very important to them.
Time to move up a gear or two – time to think bigger. To compete across Europe, your images now must compete with the best in England, France, Germany, Italy, etc.Or they are simply a niche product that needs a wide spread in specialised media.
Ashley wrote:
A medium format digital back system may be in order here – have you though about that ?
You could hire one … plus a few lenses.Are you talking 5D or 1D? Might be worth a thought.
However, the client has asked me for this based on my work so far and that was taken with my current gear…Ashley wrote:
Now you will start to see where the next bit comes into play… to help you out here as things have just got serious.
What next bit? Am I missing something?
Madra Rua wrote:
I have been following this with interest and some surprise.
Out of the blue I find myself in a similar situation as Brian.No chance you are both competing for same job? ;)
best of luck to both of you – hope you cover your costs and achieve a price that is fair to you and the buyer – a win/win will or might bring in more business or at least help with word of mouth. if you want to make it professional dont underestimate yourself or your worth – and dont forget the taxman :twisted: – tax on £1000 ???? would you work for pittence in your day job – i think not
you guys have great quality images and thats why respective companies (or same) want you!!
All in all a very interesting read and nice to see the professional guys on the forum here lending so much of their expertise to the rest of us hopefuls
If it’s not being too nosy…may I ask Brian C and Madra Rua what ever came of this?
Just out of curiousity.
bingbongbiddley wrote:
If it’s not being too nosy…may I ask Brian C and Madra Rua what ever came of this?
Just out of curiousity.
Whatever came of this…. did I mention I recently bought a new Porsche Boxster?? No, honestly thou, I put my quote in £1,400 and never heard another thing. No returned calls, no returned emails, nawt. The following 4-5 weeks after I quoted, were terrible weather so I’d have been under pressure to get the shots. But I had put some effort/preparation into it. I’d organized some air transport to get some aerial shots, to provide something differant, as opposed to just ground level shots.
Anyway we’ll never know.This kinda thing peev’s me off no end. I had another oppertunity as a leisure company wanted to purchase exclusive rights to 2 or 3 shots from Doagh Island (on my website), plus another 2 shots “of Donegal life” and the “Donegal landscape”. Again I quoted what I considered very cheap rates for the Doagh Island shots and a reasonable quote for the other two shots, again, shag all response after I quoted.
If this is my first taste of commerical photography then it don’t impress me. I think for my next quote, if I get one, I’ll purposely quote big money. Nothing to lose.Oh, and recently someone in Australia wanted a copy of a file so they could print off the photo for a Christmas present for their Irish boyfriend, again I responded and got no response. No way someone was getting a copy of a file on the cheap – Oh and this person runs a photographic studio in Oz too.
People just want everything on the cheap!!
Brian_C wrote:
People just want everything on the cheap!!
Welcome to the world of amateur landscape photography lol.
Well done on not lowering your prices Brian.
I had a request for use of one of my images recently (this is a rare occurrence :) ).
I’m sure they were hoping for it to be free and I’d be happy that it was going to be on the front of
some product. Anyhow, I sent them on a detailed quote in terms of usage rights etc… got no response at all.I followed up again 6wks later, to be told that it was too expensive.
What annoyed me was that they couldn’t provide that feedback immediately.Same time I was glad I didn’t just give the photo away to them.
the main reason these people contact amateurs is cos they want it on the cheap. if they had a proper budget to spend they would employ a full time pro.
this is becoming a more regular thing, agencies etc realising semi pro or keen ameteurs can do the work and generally will do it for a lot less than a person earning their living from it
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