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L Panels, A and F Panels, Stars and other distinctions…
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GCP wrote:
No annual fees are charged by the IPPA or the MPA to retain your licenciateshp, Associate or Fellowship. Dont know about SWIPP. I do believe that the SWIPP is a business as opposed to a body of members. Both IPPA and MPA are professional bodies owned by the members. You must be a member, and maintain your membership to hold and retain you L, A, F or C’s.
Sorry, I should have clarified a bit more. The logic I was using was that you need to remain a member of the organisation in order to retain your qualification and in order to remain a member you need to pay an annual (membership) fee. To me, that amounts to the same thing at the end of the day. Not that I have any problem with that, I don’t! I was simply trying to make the point that it’s not unusual at all to have to pay some sort of fee somewhere along the line in order to retain ones qualifications. I think the IPF fee is a small price to pay to retain your distinction, considering the amount of work that goes in to organising judgings and so on.
Somewhat off topic – yes indeed there is a big difference between the SWPP and either the IPPA or MPA. The sole aim of the SWPP is to make money for its shareholders. That being said, I personally have benefited from their membership. I am now also an associate member of the MPA. I know there is some history there between the two “groups” but I’ve no intention of getting involved in a debate on either side. I can’t see why they cannot both co-exist in harmony and ultimately help to progress photography as both an art form and a business.
joe_elway wrote:
Anyone other veterans in IT here will understand my attitude towards certifications, etc.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Remind me again how much it costs to gain MCSE, MCP, CCNA, etc… :wink: Quite a bit more than an LIPF, LIPPA, or LRPS!!! So methinks you’re not exactly comparing like with like.
Thorsten wrote:
LoGill wrote:
Thas a well kept secret then .. I haven’t heard that before now .. absoltuely shocking ?
It’s no secret – there’s a note at the end of the application form which states that “Note: There is an annual distinction’s holder fee payable to the Irish Photographic Federation to help fund the many activities of the organisation in promoting photography.”
OK secret may be a poor choce of word.. the information being on the application makes it clear, but its still outrageous in my oppinion.. I can appreicate there are costs incurred by the IPF .. surely thats why clubs pay fees ? I can accept that hosting the LIPF events is costly – so perhaps an application fee is required – but an annual retainer ?
I have never applied so I’ve never seen the application form.. but – its been my experience talking about L’s to many people in the club and outside .. that no one has ever mentioned the annual fee before ? I’m very surprised?
L
Warning – ramble on the way.
Having played my first 18 holes of golf last week since last July and having scored the lowest score (by a fair margin) that I have ever scored in my life, and am unlikely ever to emulate, I was wondering….. should these awards have a date on them. Like, on this day this person showed that they were in mighty photographic form and performed to the standard required to achieve this distinction.
The analogy of songwriters and albums comes to mind. How many artists have created one masterpiece and produced nothing but drivel after that?
We all talk of “improving” our photography. Obviously we can all continue to improve our technique but does creativity play any role in this process? Should ones work be evaluated on an ongoing basis to retain ones qualification? Can a persons photography get worse as time goes on?
Being a believer that a photograph does not have to be technically perfect to be a masterpiece I’m just wondering what these judges use as a yardstick. It seems just too formal and inflexible for my tastes. Were there any “mad” but brilliant portfolios or did everyone “play it safe”?
Again, please don’t misunderstand me. I do appreciate the points made on the other thread about this exercise giving a focus to your work and acting as an incentive to improving your technique. All very legitimate reasons to partake in the process.
Oh and just one more thing. Who are the judges and what qualifications do they have? Technically and artistically.
A ramble you were promised and a ramble you got :wink:
Thorsten wrote:
Sorry, I should have clarified a bit more. The logic I was using was that you need to remain a member of the organisation in order to retain your qualification and in order to remain a member you need to pay an annual (membership) fee. I know there is some history there between the two “groups” but I’ve no intention of getting involved in a debate on either side. I can’t see why they cannot both co-exist in harmony and ultimately help to progress photography as both an art form and a business.
Thorston, sorry…..re-read your post after I posted and I do see the point you were making. I should re-read posts more often.
I remember the history between both MPA & SWIPP. A clash of personalities I would have thought ……. some are probably not around anymore !
Valentia wrote:
Warning – ramble on the way.
Having played my first 18 holes of golf last week since last July and having scored the lowest score (by a fair margin) that I have ever scored in my life, and am unlikely ever to emulate, I was wondering….. should these awards have a date on them. Like, on this day this person showed that they were in mighty photographic form and performed to the standard required to achieve this distinction.
The analogy of songwriters and albums comes to mind. How many artists have created one masterpiece and produced nothing but drivel after that?
We all talk of “improving” our photography. Obviously we can all continue to improve our technique but does creativity play any role in this process? Should ones work be evaluated on an ongoing basis to retain ones qualification? Can a persons photography get worse as time goes on?
Being a believer that a photograph does not have to be technically perfect to be a masterpiece I’m just wondering what these judges use as a yardstick. It seems just too formal and inflexible for my tastes. Were there any “mad” but brilliant portfolios or did everyone “play it safe”?
Again, please don’t misunderstand me. I do appreciate the points made on the other thread about this exercise giving a focus to your work and acting as an incentive to improving your technique. All very legitimate reasons to partake in the process.
Oh and just one more thing. Who are the judges and what qualifications do they have? Technically and artistically.
A ramble you were promised and a ramble you got :wink:
Danny boy, you’ve restored my faith in artistic individuality. Thank you kindly…
Rob.
Oh and just one more thing. Who are the judges and what qualifications do they have? Technically and artistically.
Its my understanding the judges have to be one level higher than the qualification they are judging, ie for an L all the judges have to have an A
Neelly wrote:
Oh and just one more thing. Who are the judges and what qualifications do they have? Technically and artistically.
Its my understanding the judges have to be one level higher than the qualification they are judging, ie for an L all the judges have to have an A
I think that’s correct. But I’ve often wondered, if you bring that to it’s logical conclusion, who judges the “F” panels? :wink:
I think that’s correct. But I’ve often wondered, if you bring that to it’s logical conclusion, who judges the “F” panels?
Never been that that far (failed L :( ) but I assumed it was someone like God.
OOPS Sorry about the religious bit Mark
Rob wrote:
That’s just it. I’m the world’s biggest misanthrope
that made me laugh Rob, :lol: :lol: and is probably one of the reasons, apart from lack of time, that I haven’t joined a camera club myself….. This online one suits me just fine! :lol: :lol:
I think the idea of distinctions is a good one, it gives focus to a photographer to produce a body of work over a period of time which helps to drive the quality of your photography. It’s a real challenge to produce 10 or 12 good images that work together as a panel. There is a sense of achivement in putting a successful panel together, even if you are the only one that thinks it’s good.
Taking 20euro annually that may not benifit the distinction holder is questionable. I was told at one time the money went for workshops for distinction holders but i held (paid) for a distinction for 5 years and never got a single workshop. It even took a year to get a smudged certificate after many phone calls.
As i said I like the idea of the distinction so maybe Photography Ireland should create their own to give non club members a new challenge.
There is also nothing stopping Photography Ireland joining the IPF. Members could enter their competitions and go for their distinctions.
Eddie wrote:
There is also nothing stopping Photography Ireland joining the IPF. Members could enter their competitions and go for their distinctions.
I personally think that is something that should seriously be investigated. I think it represents a wonderful opportunity for those unable to become members of a “regular” club for whatever reason.
This place is sooooo serious. Hard to figure out, I have to say. Does anyone take photos for the fun anymore?
I’m kind of nervous that I might wake up and find this post deleted or a PM in my box asking me to refrain from something.
Am I that odd?
Well my thoughts on this subject..the club thing I mean, is that Photography Ireland IS my Camera Club for the foreseeable future. I don’t really see how much more I would gain from joining a regular camera club at the moment. Here, I get to chat and discuss with really cool folks, I learn from looking at others techniques and listening to other peoples points of views, I have fairly regular social outings with other members were we shoot, bowl occasionally, drink quite a bit..hehehe!!…I have had more support and offers of help for everything from camera selection, where to buy, who to talk to for different products. I put my shots up for critique and know that I will get honest appraisal. When I get something wrong..I’ll be put right..when I get it right I sit back and enjoy the plaudits.
I’ve also reached the stage were I feel confident enough to offer critique and opinions myself and know they will be taken on board. I have fun, I enjoy my photography and this site is my main outlet for the results.
I don’t get a certificate but I do get the advice, friendship and occasional slagging from people I have come to like and admire. For me, this is more than enough for now.
I have to disagree Danny that this place is too serious. I haven’t found that at all. If it had been I doubt I’d still be here. Of course sometimes it is serious and some people are more serious than others, but isn’t that what every group is going to be like? I think there are enough seriously unserious people here to keep the serious people on their toes…. :wink: :wink:
Seriously!!….
Sorry for going on…it’s Saturday morning and I’m lying in bed with nothing else to do…. 8)
Robbie
8)Well,I guess this site is as serious as you want it to be. Some people take photographs for fun some for work. Others enjoy the “geekiness” of it all and still others use it as an outlet for their creativity (and some do all of this and more!). We all have different objectives. Nobody should feel under pressure simply because somebody else is doing something they aren’t. At the end of the day it’s hard to please everybody all of the time but I’m sure there’s something for everyone here at any particular point in time.
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