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Misunderstanding with the word "MANIPULATED IMAGE"
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grif04 wrote:
The darkroom is clearly more time consuming in what has to be done to see the results and rethinking it to what you want it to be.
I would disagree. It depends on what has to be done. It is rare, but I’ve spent hours on one photo. Sorry to go back to the caves again but here is one such example.
This one has had hours spent on it. Blending takes time and this one has been poked and proded a great deal to get it into its final form on the computer. I still consider it as an honest representation of reality and I don’t consider it a failure because of the time it took.
andy mcinroy wrote:
Blending takes time
indeed it dose – and that was my point – rather then with photoshop – it can be done in a few simple steps. but getting into that would be moving away from the purpose of the thread.
that said a fine job on the outcome of what you saw – and isnt that what photography is about?
andy mcinroy wrote:
And the masters of film did not spend similar hours in the darkroom?
finally!
I was waiting for this :D
the answer, Andy is yes, they did. But. what about the results?
where they _real_ to be called “photographies”
or not, therefore we can refer to them as art?
If I took a portrait with a Velvia, the old 50, do you remember the tone of the skin??
was that real? Don’t think so.then what? your picture of the cave is not what you’ve seen in the cave. so you made different shot. and you melted them to create a _realistic_ image.
but what if you painted the walls of a pink shade?
you can say “that’s what I saw, because I was soo cold that my blood could not reach properly my pupils”.
but _to me_ it will be unreal as a result of a excessive post production.real is not what my camera produces. real is what represents reality at his best.
which sometimes might not be as sexy as a pink cloud, or a fluo-green field…..thanks alot for all the input……a great collection for everybody.
Find your own reality in it and express it!
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