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Mother and Daughter
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Agree with Expresbro here, really like Ross’ second edit. I myself never delete any images. I’m always learning new things so i always revisit older shots over an over again to see can i improve them.
Well taken shot byrne5012. Agree when I first saw it, found the picture very dark on my monitor.
Great to see Ross was able to improve for you, like yourself learned something from this. :)I really like the effect you are going for Roy.
I think the mum looks like she has been painted with silver paint
but I see where you are going. How did acheive the look.Graham
Oh and to everyone love all the edits and comments.
Interesting take on the original…but personally I wouldn’t go for this kind of edit. I think it’s lost all it’s original warmth and personality and looks more like an artists impression of a photograph… I know some people like these “art” effects but I’m not a fan. I like my photographs to look like photographs and my paintings to look like paintings… Just a personal preference of course :D
Robbie
8)I sort of agree with you robbie.
I do like a picture to be a picture espeically
portraits however i do like when a picture is changed to an extreme.I’m not sure it takes away from the original because it becomes something
completely different.When I take a semi decent picture I keep the first one. Improve the first one.
and then go to extremes.
Oh yeah. I agree. It has become a different thing altogether and if you like that kind of effect it’s great. Just personally it’s not for me. I really liked the original..especially after Ross’ edit and while I can see the attraction of Roys edit as an artistic interpretation…set against the original it looks quite harsh to me.
Different strokes for different folks as they say :D
Robbie
8)You are right. The original ( helped in no small part by Ross ) is a good picture
of a mother and her daughter.
While i think Roys is a “good edit”.
I agree it’s no longer a good picture of a mother and daughter though.This topic seems have gone off queue a little and into a debate on the pros and
conns of picture editing.I know…sorry….you’d swear I had no work to do here…(I wish!!).
Back to the mill :wink:
Hi all
I wasn’t trying to make it better, I was making the point that when you process an image, don’t think of making every part as clear, or well exposed as you can.
Photography is ‘painting with light’ AND darkness. I was suggesting that adding darkness can add more IMPACT.
I didn’t add a painting effect to Mum – she’s just darkened.
Which is better – neither.
Which is the more acceptable picture of mum and daugher – first ones
Which has more IMPACT, the one with the darker mum.Anyway, here’s an image of mine that may illustrate the point a little better
Doesn’t make any difference whether you like it or not, but it has more impact that if Dad was lighter.
Roy…could you explain what you mean by impact?
I’m only a novice and fairly new to photography but I know what I like..and surely that is the case with all art forms….whether it has an affect on you is based mostly on whether you like it or not? Of course you could hate it..and that would be having an effect on you but not quite the same thing :D
Surely that effect is as arbitrary as any other when viewing artwork of any kind…it’s down to personal taste?
Think of Impact as “Adding Interest”
Shoot a landscape with your back to the sun, or on an overcast day and you get a true likeness of the scene – but little impact or interest.
Why? Because you have no shadows. Shoot on a contrasty day, cross or back lighting, you get more impact, a more 3 dimensional effect, more impact and more interest.Portraits are the same in my view. From the start you have to look at (or control) not only the light, but also the dark areas or shadows. When processing, whether in the computer or darkroom, you should also burn and dodge to create the effect you are after.
You are correct, there is no right or wrong, and it is all down to personal taste. However its sometimes good to light dramatically, and sometimes to process dramatically, so don’t always think about getting as much detail into your shadows as possible, sometimes its bettter to let them be ‘moody’. The problem with your original shot, as others have said, is that it was too dark. My point is that when lightening it, maybe keep some rich dark tones in there too?
Your photo captures a moment very well and may not suit the technique – that’s fine, try it on some others, its still a useful to keep in mind.
Hope that helps.
Enjoy your photography.If I may add to this a little. I think that Roy is making the point about adding depth by making one of the subjects the main subject using light and dark, in his case, separation by using contrast and brightness. You can have the same effect by selecting with focus or colour. There is an initial subject and then the composition shows you the bigger subject (the couple).
Below: Focus.
Si
Okay..thanks for that Roy…but before Graham comes after me…it is his pic..not mine…I was just commenting.. :D
I know what you’re saying okay….still not convinced it works on that particular shot…works really well on Si’s shot above…..but I understand what you are saying :)
Cheers
Robbie
8)“still not convinced it works on that particular shot”. Agreed – I’m not convinced it works on Graham’s shot either, just using it to illustrate a point.
“works really well on Si’s shot above”. Agreed – although its using differential focus more than light and shade, Its exactly the same point.
Nice shot Simon, thanks for that. Will you be over in about a month? I have a (paid) project you might be interested in…
Cheers
Roy
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