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NewCanon DSLR – with Dust REmoval at last!
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Just browsed AC FOTO ,the 400D is in their new release section for ?777 .
They also have the 50mm 1.2 and 70-200 F4IS listed aswell ._brian_ wrote:
Just browsed AC FOTO ,the 400D is in their new release section for ?777
Damn you brian. Why tell me that when I have NO MONEY! :cry: :cry: :cry:
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Dave.davenewt wrote:
_brian_ wrote:
Just browsed AC FOTO ,the 400D is in their new release section for ?777
Damn you brian. Why tell me that when I have NO MONEY! :cry: :cry: :cry:
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Dave.My thoughts as well! But then I told myself that none of these new releases are actually available yet (at least I can’t imagine that they would be) so there’ still some time to save! :wink: And if push comes to shove, then there’s always the finance options that AC-Foto have available :D
They must have had some inside knowledge from Canon that this was coming, otherwise how could they get this info. up so quickly!
The amazon links at the bottom of this page: http://www.bobatkins.com/photography/digital/canon_eos_400D.html – have it listed at US$800 body only / $900 with 18-55 lens.
You’d normally expect pretty much a straight conversion to sterling for prices in the UK (correct me if I’m wrong?)
Then from UKP to Euro you’d generally do the market rate conversion and add another chunk on top (for Ireland anyway?!)
So to see it for 777 euro, or 848 with the lens, is a Good Thing, is it not?
Then again, 900 dollars = 705 euro…!
Anyone buying from America?
ecp wrote:
there’s always the finance options that AC-Foto have available :D
Foolish, foolish words to utter in front of someone without money but with an internet connection and an itchy mousebutton-finger!
Surely the significant thing about this new camera is its sensor? The 10mp sensor should, in theory at least, should mean this new ‘entry level’ camera is capable of delivering better image quality that it’s big sister 30D and even the ‘professional’ 1D. Okay, it has a tiny viewfinder and cheap plastic feel etc, but take the new 9-point AF system into account and you have a camera that should produce higher quality pictures than the more expensive 30D – the thing that really matters. I’d can’t imagine that Canon will continue to position its entry level dslr in this way for very long – so will a 30D/1D upgrade follow very quickly?
Of course it’s pretty easy to see why Canon added more megapixels. Other manufactures like Nikon and Sony are stepping up to 10MP entry level dslrs and (although a 2mp difference isn’t really that much) to the average consumer a bigger number is better. Without the new sensor Canon would quickly lose out to Nikon or Sony. Sony, in particular, is a huge and innovative company – Canon is going to have to come up with lots of new ideas if it wants to prevent them getting much of a foothold in the dslr market.
We will just have to wait for the 400D camera to go on sale to see if the 10mp sensor really is better. I remember when 30D came out Canon said increasing the pixels wasn’t worth it because of the added noise – seems they have either changed their mind or decided that the risk of the competition taking away potential customers was too great to be ignored.
I think the next move will be a 30D/1D update and I don’t think we’ll have to wait so long either.
Personally, I can’t help think most people might regard the other new features such as dust removal (and things like direct print) as a gimick, but there is little doubt it will find it’s way into the more expensive cameras shortly and become the norm.
The good thing from a user’s point of view is that all this competition is keeping prices down. So much so that I’ve seen it suggested there is very little profit in the actual camera body (they hope to make their money later by selling you expensive lenses).
ecp wrote:
The EOS 400D will be available from late September 2006 at a UK price of ?649.99 (body only), or ?719.99 as a kit with the EF-S 18-55mm lens. The EF 50mm f/1.2L USM lens will be available in late September 2006 at a UK price of ?1149.99 and the EF 70-200mm f/4L IS USM will be available in late September 2006 at a UK price of ?989.99.
Looks like the EF 70-200mm f/4L IS USM will be on my Christmas shopping list :D
Thorsten, making out your Christmas shopping list already!
The first thing that strikes me about these two new lenses is that they seem grossly overpriced. That said, I think if the new 70-200 f4 produces pictures as sharp as the old one then you will be making a good choice. I have the old f4 version (it cost about ?400). There is no doubt it is a great lens. I’ve read that its resolution figures are better than some of canon’s best primes, such as 135mm. Difficult to tell about how useful the IS feature is, but too bad it adds so much to the cost of this lens.
I think the 50mm 1.2 is comparitively priced ,the 35mm 1.4 is a couple of hundred euro more expesive.
If the 50mm 1.2 turns out to be a good lens ,I think it’s one I would invest in down the road.ellude wrote:
Surely the significant thing about this new camera is its sensor? The 10mp sensor should, in theory at least, should mean this new ‘entry level’ camera is capable of delivering better image quality that it’s big sister 30D and even the ‘professional’ 1D.
Time will tell. More megapixels on the same sensor size should translate to more noise, so whether or not the 10MP sensor will result in a higher quality image compared to an 8MP sensor is debatable. The image coming off the 8MP 30D is 3504×2336 pixels; the 400D image size is 3888 x 2592 – that’s a difference of only 384 x 256, or approx 1″ at 300dpi!
ellude wrote:
Of course it’s pretty easy to see why Canon added more megapixels. Other manufactures like Nikon and Sony are stepping up to 10MP entry level dslrs and (although a 2mp difference isn’t really that much) to the average consumer a bigger number is better.
I think you’ve hit the nail on the head. For people that know nothing about digital photography, megapixels are what it’s all about and it makes for an easy sales pitch
ellude wrote:
I think the next move will be a 30D/1D update and I don’t think we’ll have to wait so long either.
I think what’s likely to happen is that we’ll see the 1D and the 1Ds merge into one camera with an option to choose full frame albeit at the expense of frames per second or cropped frame with a high f.p.s. for the likes of sports photographers. There will probably be an upgrade to the 5D as well, although it hasn’t really been as succesful a camera as it ought to have been. I think a replacement for the 30D is at least another year away, although it could swing the other way and we’ll see a replacement within 6 months.
ellude wrote:
The good thing from a user’s point of view is that all this competition is keeping prices down. So much so that I’ve seen it suggested there is very little profit in the actual camera body (they hope to make their money later by selling you expensive lenses).
The best thing about new releases, as has already been noted elsewhere, is that they will rapidly drive down the price of cameras such as the 5D and the 1DsMkII. These will still be excellent camera’s when their replacements have been announced and that will be the time to get one
ellude wrote:
The first thing that strikes me about these two new lenses is that they seem grossly overpriced. That said, I think if the new 70-200 f4 produces pictures as sharp as the old one then you will be making a good choice. I have the old f4 version (it cost about ?400). There is no doubt it is a great lens. I’ve read that its resolution figures are better than some of canon’s best primes, such as 135mm. Difficult to tell about how useful the IS feature is, but too bad it adds so much to the cost of this lens.
Yes, they are seriously overpriced. But don’t forget, these are MRP prices – street prices are likely to be quite a bit lower. The IS isn’t the only thing adding to the cost of this lens – it’s also got weather proofing, which the current non-IS version doesn’t. The IS is said to offer a 3 stop advantage, so that would make it the equivalent of using an f/1.4 lens (purely in terms of available shutter speed)
I’ve had the dust removal facility on my Olympus for a few years now and while its handy, some dust is more sticky than other dust. The best way is not to change lenses in the open air (outside in the wind).
There’s an intresting piece on Canon’s new releases over on the Luminous Landscape site. In it, the author, Michael Reichmann, speculates that an update to the 1D series and the 30D won’t happen until at least another six months from now, if not longer.
The IS isn’t the only thing adding to the cost of this lens – it’s also got weather proofing, which the current non-IS version doesn’t. The IS is said to offer a 3 stop advantage, so that would make it the equivalent of using an f/1.4 lens (purely in terms of available shutter speed)
Well the new lens is more than twice the price of the non-IS f4, which seems overpriced to me. I’d wait and see if the new IS version can match it optically. Not sure if weather-sealing amounts to much more than a rubber ?o? ring where the lens fits onto the camera, and doubt if it matters much anyway unless the camera is weather sealed too.
I can vouch that the non-IS is a peach of a lens. That said, I?m afraid I don?t use it as much as I should simply because it?s size makes it a bit awkward to carry around. But image quality is great – sharp and always useable wide open!
I bet the Canon marketing folks are delighted with this one. Wow, 2 extra megapixels! Wow, self cleaning sensor! In reality, neither of those two matter. 2 extra mp doesn’t matter a toss and as for the self-cleaning sensor, I’d rather be using a tried & trusted copper hill kit once a month than be relying on as yet unproven technology. Cleaning the sensor/shaking a little piece of glass every time the camera turns on is a recipe for disaster imo. I suppose they’ll continue to stay with the megapixel race until the average joe learns that more megapixels does not equal better photographs. Oh wait, that’s never going to happen…
brandyman wrote:
Canon announces the new 400D – 10M pixel DSLR with dust removal. Hopefully any upgrades to the 5D, 30D and the 1DII etc will incorporate this feature as well.
My crystal ball says there might be a 40D very soon (26/09), with dust removal! Same improvements (if you can call them improvements) as 400D.
ellude wrote:
Surely the significant thing about this new camera is its sensor? The 10mp sensor should, in theory at least, should mean this new ‘entry level’ camera is capable of delivering better image quality that it’s big sister 30D and even the ‘professional’ 1D. Okay, it has a tiny viewfinder and cheap plastic feel etc, but take the new 9-point AF system into account and you have a camera that should produce higher quality pictures than the more expensive 30D – the thing that really matters.
Don’t forget that the difference between 8 and 10 MP is barely significant, and that more pixels on the same sensor will in theory produce more noise. Either that, or the camera will employ stronger noise reduction for JPEG shooters….this would probably cause a loss of detail.
The 30D also has the 9 point AF system, a much better metering system and is a faster camera!
carl wrote:
My crystal ball says there might be a 40D very soon (26/09), with dust removal! Same improvements (if you can call them improvements) as 400D.
I doubt it, there was outrage in some quarters because the 30D offered little more than the 20D. I think Canon will make the 40D with a 12MP sensor (larger than the 30D but not full frame), and lots of other nice features to destroy the Nikon D200.
It will be closer to the 5D in image quality, but won’t compete with the 5D’s replacement.
And besides, my crystal ball is bigger than yours!! :lol:
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