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Nikon and high iso noise!
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As a Canon user I read all sorts of reports about high iso noise issues with Nikon cameras. I know most of it is blown out of proportion and the loudest criers are Canon fanboys. What I would like to know from you Nikon users is have any of you had any real world problems with noise to such an extent that you were not able to rescue or use the shot. I’m not trolling folks, just genuinely interested.
Interesting question, although I’m not sure if any value can be attached to any replies you might get from Nikon users (and there seem to be quite a few of them here, so hopefully some of them will respond) – or Canon users for that matter. In most cases noise only becomes an annoyance at speeds of 800 ISO or higher. And without doing a side by side comparison of Canon’s noise -v- Nikons noise at the same speeds, all one can get is a users opinion as to whether or not the noise they have is objectionable to them. Even within a brand, noise can vary from model to model. For example, the EOS 5D is reputed to be one of the most noise free digital cameras currently available, even when compared to other Canon cameras.
Depends on what you compare to and your own personal preferences also i guess.. – … I use the D200 and I find it a bit too noisy at ISO 400 and above – talking to someone using a D2x who shot on my camera recently and he felt it was way noisier at lower iso’s than the d2x…
Lorraine
Then ya have the Nikon D50 which supposedly has lower noise than the D70S,which is a few dollars more :wink:
Noely F wrote:
Then ya have the Nikon D50 which supposedly has lower noise than the D70S,which is a few dollars more :wink:
But doesn’t the D50 lose a little more detail than the D70S because of its stronger noise suppression? Noise I can deal with afterwards but diminished detail is a different story. :wink:
I have to say that my 350D shows more noise at iso100 than my 10D did (at the pixel level). The 10D was butter smooth at iso100 but a lot worse than the 350D at higher iso’s.
Ok, I’m Nikon through and through :)
I used to have a D70 and now have the D2X. I’ve used the D200 extensively and also dabbled with the D50 a bit. My experience on a whole is that they are relatively noisey, but in comparison to my recent experiment in ISO400 film, no where near the extreme of film. I think the trick is to make sure you expose your shots well. If they’re exposed well, noise really isn’t an issue. If I had to put them in order, I’d say D70 is best, D2X next and then D200 but that’s my own opinion and not based on any hard scientific fact. The D2X is now a CMOS sensor which goes down to ISO100 (a big step for Nikon) and while it’s noisier than the D70 the noise doesn’t seem to be colour noise, it’s more luminosity. So this gives it a filmy/grainy feel. In fact I often shoot at ISO400 just for this “gritty” look. In short, I think they are perhaps a touch noisier than Canon, but nothing drastic and nothing that would make me opt for one brand over the other based solely on that!
I’ve not used any DSLR”s other than my 350D but I can say it’s way too noisy above 200 for my tastes. I suspect the same could be said about the D50. I expect that it improves as you move up the ladder.
I use a Pentax and it makes the same noise whatever ISO I have it set to. Sometimes the ker-lunk sound is a bit elongated if the shutter speed is slow.
He he he. :lol:
Noise is good (Canon noise ;) ):
Original: http://www.flickr.com/photos/stevefe/213310195/Less chroma speckling than Nikons, but still benefits from a b/w conversion at ISO1600. This is from a two generations old D30 by the way so I’d expect anything in the 10D/20D/350D class to be significantly better.
Canon fanboy and proud of it!
SteveFE wrote:
Noise is good (Canon noise ;) ):
Less chroma speckling than Nikons
Canon fanboy and proud of it!
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Single-smiley replies freak me out. They can mean anything.
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Sorry :oops: It was a roll of the eyes, because your post really started to go down the route of the whole Canon vs Nikon, rather than answering the question that was asked.
I always find it interesting how the users from the “other camp” comment authoritively on the performance of the competitor. I’d say there are very few unbiased parties out there with extensive experience of both lines of camera that are in a position to speak authoritively, but yet time and time again people make wonderful claims of one above the other. For every article out there where Canon is outlined as a better performer to the Nikon counterpart, there’s an opposing article stating the opposite. I’d love for you to point out chroma speckling on my Nikon, even at 3200 :!:
SteveFE wrote:
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Single-smiley replies freak me out. They can mean anything.
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ciaran wrote:
Sorry :oops: It was a roll of the eyes, because your post really started to go down the route of the whole Canon vs Nikon, rather than answering the question that was asked.
I always find it interesting how the users from the “other camp” comment authoritively on the performance of the competitor. I’d say there are very few unbiased parties out there with extensive experience of both lines of camera that are in a position to speak authoritively, but yet time and time again people make wonderful claims of one above the other. For every article out there where Canon is outlined as a better performer to the Nikon counterpart, there’s an opposing article stating the opposite. I’d love for you to point out chroma speckling on my Nikon, even at 3200 :!:
My take on this is that used in the right hands all cameras are equal. But some are more equal than others :lol: :lol: :lol:
Ciaran, point well taken. My experience of Nikons is from what I’ve seen friends do with them, nothing direct. A lot shoot night work, where I notice noise in whatever form. I’ve also seen daytime prints from a D50 at 6×9″ where the chroma noise is to my taste offensive (can’t say what ISO setting was used), although I suppose that could be down to inexperienced post-pro, or just sending the JPG straight to the printer without thinking any more about it. I’d also generalise that Niks take more punchy and sharp JPGs than Canons, which tend to be a bit on the warm and soft side of a neutral bland balance for me. I usually process up my Canon raw shots to a more Nikon JPG-like level of aggression if that’s any consolation ;)
All that said?face the facts man! The EOS 5D is probably the lowest noise 35mm form factor sensor and camera in the business! (and even mega-expensive digital MF backs don’t perform that well over ISO400). Everybody says so. If I had the money etc….
And you’re dead right on getting correct exposure in the first place. Probably the most common cause of excess noise is dragging up an underexposed shot. Get that pushed-to-the-right exposure helps out heaps with not getting the noise in the first place.
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