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Paedophile to be Beheaded
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plainoldme wrote:
justaguy wrote:
I don’t understand this.
Death penalty ok. i can understand. chop of his head, not nice but i also understand. but why killing him a second time by crusifiction. That doesn’t make sence.More often then not in Eastern cultures, it’s more about the ritual aspect of the punishment rather than the punishment itself. It may not be right to consider “barbarism” in a western society, we may think it’s horrendous, and are perfectly entitled to think so….its not part of our culture and nor have we been exposed to such. But for them, it’s about tradition, it’s about their belief systems, their belief in ritual, god, allah, or who ever and whatever has been the basis of their culture since god knows when.
Granted it seems unneccesary to us, it seems wrong or immoral or whatever, but in a culture that has formed around institutions of religion and belief and kinship it’s absolutely nothing but “what needs to be done”, not “he must pay”, kind of thinking. It’s about respect for community, kinship, and the way of life that forms the basis of thier society as a whole.
To abolish a tradition or societal acceptance like this, in a culture like that, would essentially turn the entire society on it’s head… but thats an entirely different can of worms ;)
I beg to disagree.
It WAS part of our culture. We were exposed to this for countless centuries.
We put many many people to death through garrotting, impaling, even more people were hung, drawn and quartered
and up to the mid part of the last century (1950’s), hanging was all too common in our gaols.
But, the difference is even though it was a centuries old ‘tradition’ we took the enlightened step some 60 years ago
to change away from that.
Just because something like capital punishment is a part of a culture, or tradition, or (ironically) their
way of ‘life’ does not mean that it is right. Nor does it mean that it should not be up for debate.
I see nothing in beheading and crucifixion that upholds respect for community, kinship and a way of life.
All I’m saying is that it’s not alright to kill someone and place their body on public view, no matter what their crime.
There has got to be a more civilised way of behaving when dealing with people who commit such crimes.
I understand the point you make that it has always been their tradition….but just want to say that such a
‘tradition’ in Eastern societies is well overdue a change.
irishwonkafan wrote:
Now, some seem all for it based on the crime…understandable reaction. What about the American soldiers who are captured, beaten then mutilated and their bodies dragged through the streets on display. From the Afghan/Iraqi perspective they are criminals and see this as a fitting punishment for bombing houses where children and innocent people are killed. Or what about the Taliban who give the victim of a crime the choice of the perpetrators punishment…often giving them a gun to shoot them in public. Is it only right if it’s in another country or performed on people from Middle-Eastern countries?
Surely this is entirely different problem. While it might seem easy to compare it to a simple punishment-by-death perspective for criminals, what you’re now suggesting has an entirely different social context. Places like Afghanistan or Iraq are places of extreme social unrest, obviously so, as well as political problems, economic issues, and a list of other issues that are seemingly endless. In my opinion that can’t really be contrasted with places like America – who really don’t have a stable explanation for why they continue to practice the death penalty despite the virtual non existance of social/cultural rites like in places like the UAE.
If you’re going to mention the Taliban you’re talking about political activists, extremists, and to be blunt, terrorists. People who’s judgement may not be entirely rational but are a product of their own environment. The same can be said for the torture of American soldiers. It’s not simply based on criminality and social order, but more or less based on social disorder and the ways in which that manifests in local community. It’s about communities and individual groups that are rebelling against the solutions at hand, because maybe theyre not good enough, or maybe it’s just mob mentality. Wanting to cause absolute mayhem because they can, or to prove that they have more power over their own society than any external “peace-keepers” ever will.
I could rant all day but I’m not going to, I might just piss everyone off :lol:
plainoldme wrote:
It’s not simply based on criminality and social order, but more or less based on social disorder and the ways in which that manifests in local community. It’s about communities and individual groups that are rebelling against the solutions at hand, because maybe theyre not good enough, or maybe it’s just mob mentality. Wanting to cause absolute mayhem because they can, or to prove that they have more power over their own society than any external “peace-keepers” ever will.
it’s about war and during a war, unfortunately the human being shows his worst part and the rules or judgment used in the usual circumstances (even the more basic ones) seems not be applicable…. and that happens not only with Talibans or Iraquis
Mick451 wrote:
Edit: r.a.p.e.d. is a banned word?!!?
what about grape?And what about if i want to write about grapes. should I call them gapes then?
This is all to complicated. In the right contest you should be able to use foul languagejustaguy wrote:
Mick451 wrote:
Edit: r.a.p.e.d. is a banned word?!!?
what about grape?And what about if i want to write about grapes. should I call them gapes then?
This is all to complicated. In the right contest you should be able to use foul languageIt was added as a banned word (not grapes) as the spammers at the time had a habit of posting
really shocking/extreme porn posts which referred to it. So that word and a heck of alot of others
were removed at the time.Mark wrote:
justaguy wrote:
Mick451 wrote:
Edit: r.a.p.e.d. is a banned word?!!?
what about grape?And what about if i want to write about grapes. should I call them gapes then?
This is all to complicated. In the right contest you should be able to use foul languageIt was added as a banned word (not grapes) as the spammers at the time had a habit of posting
really shocking/extreme porn posts which referred to it. So that word and a heck of alot of others
were removed at the time.Ok then. as long as you understand that if i write about grapes i didn’t do anything nasty
I supose it’s allright if they got the right guy. There’s nothing worse than choping some guy’s head off and then finding out it wasnt the right head. But the saudi courts arent’ likely to make any mistakes. There renowned all over the world for there impartialty and the saudi police wouldnt’ have tortured the confession from the guy because there well known for being very civilized too.
Thanks nfl-fan. Found the introductions page and said hello in there it’s all a bit confusing when you start off, this site is huge.
Rambo wrote:
I well known for being very civilized too.
Right up to the point where they chop your man’s head off I suppose….
The point of the beheading is to make him pay for his crimes. To crucify and display the mutilated body is not to deter others, it is to disgrace the man in public. Very painful for his family, not for him as he will be dead anyway. This is just a cultural thing that Westerners don’t usually understand.
Its funny that people worry what happens to him when he’s already been killed and no one worries too much about saudi being a medievil country where police routinely beat the crap out of people and where justice is more backward than it was in Europe a millenium ago. We’ve just voted to be more into the EU and all, and heres a website where loads of people think its cool to chop someone up after torturing them.
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