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Party Girls
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de Suin
You may find it more useful to resize your images before posting. At the moment, this image is far too large to be seen all at once without scrolling both up and down and left to right, thereby making it virtually impossible to give any sort of worthwhile critique. A sensible size would be 600 x 800 pixels, allowing other members to see both the detail and the image in its entirety. I hope this is helpful advice for you.
Rob.
Rob wrote:
de Suin
You may find it more useful to resize your images before posting. At the moment, this image is far too large to be seen all at once without scrolling both up and down and left to right, thereby making it virtually impossible to give any sort of worthwhile critique. A sensible size would be 600 x 800 pixels, allowing other members to see both the detail and the image in its entirety. I hope this is helpful advice for you.
Rob.
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In addition to that, I would like to add a definition of a snapshot:
A snapshot invokes a memory of someone you know or met, a place you’ve been, an event you attended, or a pet that you’ve lost. The connection to the photograph is emotional and subjective. A snapshot, shown to a stranger, is ineffective, because the stranger doesn’t have that memory or emotional connection to the picture.
A photograph stands on it’s own. It doesn’t rely on memories or emotional connections to portray itself. It has to portray it’s meaning on whoever views it, and it may very well say something different to everyone who views it.
Because people are naturally emotional, and become attached to their photos, it’s sometimes hard to distinguish between a snapshot and a photograph.
I’m not saying that snapshots are bad, they’re just personal, and hold little or no value for anyone else.
I think this falls into the snap shot category for me.
One technical tip I can add is to try and avoid on camera (indeed any direct) flash if you can. It can give a washed out look as well as unpleasing catchlights in the centre of the eye.
lol Ciaran….(referring to the thread about methods of critique), I was truggling to think of anything to say about this, and I suspect you were as well? But there you go – a sensible comment with good advice, and hopefully the photographer will see it as constructive advice, and be able to progress with his hobby.
I would ask the photographer to consider what he likes about the photo himself, and why he posted it – is it just because he knows the people involved and they are acting out of character etc, or is there another reason? It does have the appearance of a simple snapshot which means little to those of us who do not know the subjects.
deSuin wrote:
some need to be titled correctly so as to give clue to the occasion,as i have done so here,brandyman obviously didn’t connect the two when viewing the image.
I did read the title, and that is why I asked whether you posted it because people were acting out of character.
deSuin wrote:
As for other comments from Ciaran and brandyman regarding ?my Snapshot? call it what you may if thats what you consider a random image to be.
Even taking into account your description and explanation, it remains a snapshot. People for some reason take offence when you say it is a snapshot? All we are saying is that the image means nothing to us, and it has no real artistic or emotional content or suchlike to have any impact. Are you saying that it does have some content or appeal that we have missed? I don’t see it but that is my opinion, offered in a constructive manner. I suggest you read the description Ciaran posted again.
When I first saw it, it reminded me a bit of Richard Billingham- I think it mostly was to do with the size it opened up at. It was very big, and I didn’t get to see it all at once, but to me it didn’t seem to have the edge associated with real alcahol problems-
– http://www.designboom.com/eng/funclub/billingham.html
the lighting is not at all flattering up close, it looks like a small flash up close to the lens-
is this a look you’re trying to achieve?jb7 wrote:
….. Straight in, all guns blazing, take no prisoners, count the bodies later,
is one of the many approaches I employ.Ahem, Joseph….have you declared a ceasefire with this response…..??? :lol:
(only kidding)deSuin wrote:
its simply a image of 2 good time girls (women if you like) having a fun time at a party
Precisely. 8)
Hi
The image posted does give a happy vibe and its cheeky! :) however its is a image that will mean more to the circle of friends that know them as they know their personalities better than your viewers on this forum. Personally for me it raises a smile but nothing more, i would suggest that maybe give it a warhol type of effect would really set it off!On a technical level i hate on camera flash so i always bounce or diffuse as much as i can to keep the ambient light in the shot such as party lights,disco lights etc just to give it more athmosphere.
Hope this is of some use :wink:
BendeSuin wrote:
the younger woman’s peck to cheek draws a response of gesture
I actually didn’t think it was a kiss at first, until I read that line… usually with a kiss the eyes are closed and lips are purked. maybe you just missed it or were too early… but it looks to me more like she is smelling her hair!
Im glad you like it… to me it does make me smile a bit. The girl on the right looks pretty and its captured well in the photo. The girl on the left reminds me of a mad aunty at a party who always dragged you up to dance when you were younger!
Personally I think you and you alone are reading too much into this shot (snapshot or not). Photographically, there is nothing redeeming in this shot for me. I know you said lighting wasn’t important, but I would have to disagree strongly on this point. Lighting is EVERYTHING in a photo, I would even stretch this to saying that when you take a shot you should actually be photographing the light before photographing the subject. By disregarding it, that act in itself is going to put it into the snapshot category as there is zero thought gone into the taking of it. Then if I’m to look at content again this screams out snapshot. Nothing in the photo makes me look twice, I don’t get any feel, it holds no interest for me, even after you went to some length to try and set the mood by pointing out aspects. Perhaps. if I was you and I knew the two girls it would be a fun shot, but that again makes it a snapshot.
Does calling it a snapshot mean it’s a bad photo? Not necessarily.. but it means it’s going to hold very little interest for those of us that don’t know the subjects or have any sentimental attachment to the event.
deSuin wrote:
Thanks to all for your response to my photo,negative as your comments may be,i appreaciate it all the same.
deSuinThanks Bob for your comment, in fact was only after i posted this image i realised i had downloaded at high resolution.
Now re-posted at reduced resolution for better viewing.First of all let me say i am not governed by a set of rules whan it comes to recording images .. to me they represent moments in time,some need to be titled correctly so as to give clue to the occasion,as i have done so here,brandyman obviously didn’t connect the two when viewing the image.
I take your point Ciaran about flash photography,with this image as i have stated below, was a quickshot at party time,part of a set of random images i took,it was a lot easier to use flash to record in variable house lighting,the quality was only secondary.
As for other comments from Ciaran and brandyman regarding ?my Snapshot? call it what you may if thats what you consider a random image to be.
The title indicates Party Girls and as with most Irish party’s drink has a bearing on peoples actions and reactions,thats what i intended to show with this image,whether they act out of charter is perfectly normal at partytime,the viewer therefore does not need to know the people involved to read the picture.
The redness in the eyes of the left person indicates a certain merriment has been achieved by alcohol consumption,the younger woman’s peck to cheek draws a response of gesture to be read by the viewer,not by me.
deSuin
I like it and I don’t care if it’s a snapshot or whether it works technically. I smiled when I saw it and zoomed to the larger version for a better look which is more than I do for many of the pictures here which may be technically correct but often lack a subject of interest.
One thing that I do like is that despite the harsh flash, the close zoom/crop, the poses and possibly the time of the night (EXIF says 4:38am, but that’s probably wrong) it still makes both ‘models’ look quite well. I (and most of us) have some experience of taking badly lit unflattering unappealing party snapshots that could never be shown to the target and would rather results like this this than most of mine.
That said, I don’t think I would post it in a forum such as this but it would certainly sit well in an album of pictures or memories from the night. If that makes it a snapshot, that’s fine, but it’s not a bad thing.
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