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It’s interesting to me because the younger lady is very pretty. That said, I tend to agree with Ciaran’s first post.
Ciaran’s critique is nearly always objective and well thought out. I think it’s a shame that he was pushed into being brutal in his second comment:
Photographically, there is nothing redeeming in this shot for me.
One more thought: it might make a nice animated shot with 2 tongues going in and out in a hilarious cycle – like the old “pull-this-ear-and-the-tongue-comes-out-pull-the-other-ear-and-the-tongue-goes-in” routine that has amused children for generations.
Can we keep the critique for the photographs and not the other critique givers.
I think it should be acceptable to reference others’ critique, as long as it stays on thread…
jb7 wrote:
I think it should be acceptable to reference others’ critique, as long as it stays on thread…
I don’t think that we should be publicly judging how others critique. If someone leaves a comment about a photo then it is meant for the photographer in question. By all means reference it if you wish to second the comment/disagree etc (in regards to photographic content), but commenting on the nature or style of someones critique isn’t really helpful to anyone.
If you really need/want to criticise someone, then do it directly and send them a private message.
Not a big fan of the photo posted, it just does nothing for me as it is – though I do see a bit of potential in post processing.
The lighting is too flat, too ordinary and the the composition too centred to be compelling – centred compositions usually equates with stillness, not something this shot benefits from. It needs to be contrastier, starker and more brutal to give it visual punch (as a photograph) and I’d whack it with a totally different crop to give it some edge.As a snapshot of a moment it’s fine, we’ve all got stacks of them in drawers and on hard disks.
To be more than that there has to be an idea behind it – can be lighting, colour, composition, shape, texture, whatever.
A good photograph makes most people stop, look, think, and leaves a lasting impression.The most interesting thing about this is the discussion on Ciaran’s brutally honest comments.
Never take anyone’s comments online personally, good or bad, they’re just opinions on your work with as much value as you place on person giving them.quickshot/snapshot, same difference.
Warts and all, no, not nearly enough in my opinion if that was the aim; look at the work of Weegee and his photographs of socialites or Avedon’s ordinary people portraits for how it’s done to a high standard. As you say yourself, parties bring out another side to people. But, and it’s a big but, everyone has similar photos just grabbed to capture a moment and this is no different, there’s nothing in it to set it apart from thousands upon thousands of similar images. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with it, but there’s not much in it that’s of interest either.
As for the quote, that would apply to the photographer just as much as the viewer…if not more so.
deSuin wrote:
Cieran’s comments described as brutally honest by yourself and others .. they are opinions he’s quiet entitled to make .. and they make for some interesting reading,even if it doe’s sound like the words of a self appointed Text Book Philosopher.
You posted a photo in a public forum, in the critique section. Ciaran’s first post was constructive, and in my view his second was too. He provided an honest critique, nothing more, nothing less. He did not level any personal insults at you.
I would therefore suggest that there was no need for you to claim he sounded like a self appointed Text Book Philosopher. In fact, if you look at Ciaran’s website you will see a selection of great portraits. We all learn from textbooks, but it seems he has a very good grasp of the practical side of things. Would I appreciate a critique from him on one of my portraits….yes.
If you cannot accept honest critique, then perhaps you should reconsider if posting photos in this section is a worthwhile endeavour for you.
This is a fairly innocuous shot which has attracted a lot of attention. There is nothing hidden about the technique; it was taken on a “consumer’ camera with onboard flash. The photographer simply had to turn up and shoot.
in order to make this approach pay off you’ll need to shoot lots of pictures to complete the series, to me this picture can only have value as a photograph if it can be seen within the context of a bigger idea. if you were serious about this, then maybe you’d have some more images shot between january and now- if so, I’d like to see them-
There are a lot of different ways of looking at things, and offhand and badly thought out comments can lead to offence. most times its best to let them hang there…
Has the image been taken down?
I hope that offence hasn’t been taken to extremes. It would be a shame if someone was upset; I mean upset as opposed to being a bit cross.
has anyone got the link to that picture? Its suddenly far more valuable due to its notoriety-
deSuin wrote:
even if it doe’s sound like the words of a self appointed Text Book Philosopher.
It does seem a pity that you have to resort to insulting me just because I gave my honest opinion on your photo. I feel that my critique was both constructive and honest and in no way insulted you, so I’m not sure why you felt the need to iinsult me? If you don’t want honest critique then I suggest you refrain from asking for it. We’re all going to post photos at one stage or another that people aren’t going to like, so I’d suggest you learn to deal with it, in some way other than insults or removing the photo.
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