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Pension levy- whats your opinion
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GrahamB wrote:
Whatever happened to the idea that the government actually worked for us.
Oh also – the politicians are Public Sector are they getting hit with a pension levy ?Probably will have to pay, but don’t worry, they’ll give themselves a pay rise to compensate and it won’t be payable on their expenses. That’ll probably also go up or they’ll find some sort of new allowance with a different heading so that they can say that their expenses haven’t gone up in years.
nfl-fan wrote:
BTW: It is against the rules of the site to discuss politics.
Apologies – didn’t know that, threads been going for a while considering that though
I wouldn’t worry about it… the Ireland’s economic outlook has changed since those rules were last revised.
kenh wrote:
Seoirse wrote:
Subject: FW: Actual advertisement in today’s newspapers
Dear Taoiseach,
My name is Deirdre Deegan. I’m a single mother. I’m also a public
servant monster. I’ve obviously been bleeding the country
dry without knowing it. I’m sorry. I know my annual wage of €29,000 is
outrageously high and that’s why you need to take so much back. Sure I do a really good job but I know it’s not nearly as good a job as the bankers, corporate executives, politicians and developers who are much
better at what they do.I work in an office in our public health service. Like my colleagues, I work beyond the hours I am paid for, because we know there is a patient in need of treatment at the end of everything we do.
I would really appreciate it if you could explain something
to me as you are so good at your job. As you know I hand over a large
amount of my take-home wage to the bankers and developers to pay for my
house; to the finance company executives for the car loan as I had
to move 34 miles to get an affordable home; in electricity; gas;
childcare – so that I can work and pay my taxes. I know, it’s a bit of a
luxury in these straightened times, but I also have to buy baby
clothes, food and medicine for my daughter. My dilemma is I have no more money left to donate to you in the form of the pension levy you so
reasonably ask for.I really want to do the right thing as I now know – because you and media have reminded me over and over – I have been a public sector scrounger. (How did I not see this before?!). Also, I’m
worried about having nothing to spend in the corner shop and local
businesses to boost the economy. Can you tell me how to do this? Thanks.Initially, when you demanded this levy, I was really upset. I was
furious in fact. I thought everyone would have to share the pain as you so nicely put it. But now I see that it’s only monsters like me who have been irresponsible and greedy and have caused this crisis in
Ireland. I can now see why I should be treated like dirt.Please reply when you get a break from delivering all our
levy money to your nice friends in the banks.Sincerely,
Deirdre Deegan.
P.S. I know we don’t deserve to go to Kerry but, if you
Wouldn’t mind, would you explain to Katie that you took the holiday piggy bank?
Thanks.having difficulty understanding the point to this post – other than the writer disagrees with the pension levy and is very unhappy
with her life (salary, working hours, house location, the country’s government and financial “system”, cost of living etc etc etc)
Am I missing something?I think the point is Ken, that nobody is starting threads in forums about how greedy private sector workers are. I didn’t read too many posts about how unscrupulous private sector workers were over charging for at times shoddy workmanship, because they could. Or how some of the people in high tech jobs who may now be in danger of losing their jobs were paid ridiculous wages and and were happy to pay massively inflated prices for their houses and apartments and thus pushed the price of an average family home way out of reach of ordinary workers, private and public sector alike. How they helped create an unreal economy and then complain when it all came crashing down.
Yes..you can apply this argument to any sector… so please give it a rest with the public sector bashing…most of them are just ordinary working people.
And if we want to “sack” a goverment..well..it’s called the vote. Next time don’t be so quick to stick an X beside FF FG or Labour candidates.
Expresbro wrote:
kenh wrote:
Seoirse wrote:
Subject: FW: Actual advertisement in today’s newspapers
Dear Taoiseach,
My name is Deirdre Deegan. I’m a single mother. I’m also a public
servant monster. I’ve obviously been bleeding the country
dry without knowing it. I’m sorry. I know my annual wage of €29,000 is
outrageously high and that’s why you need to take so much back. Sure I do a really good job but I know it’s not nearly as good a job as the bankers, corporate executives, politicians and developers who are much
better at what they do.I work in an office in our public health service. Like my colleagues, I work beyond the hours I am paid for, because we know there is a patient in need of treatment at the end of everything we do.
I would really appreciate it if you could explain something
to me as you are so good at your job. As you know I hand over a large
amount of my take-home wage to the bankers and developers to pay for my
house; to the finance company executives for the car loan as I had
to move 34 miles to get an affordable home; in electricity; gas;
childcare – so that I can work and pay my taxes. I know, it’s a bit of a
luxury in these straightened times, but I also have to buy baby
clothes, food and medicine for my daughter. My dilemma is I have no more money left to donate to you in the form of the pension levy you so
reasonably ask for.I really want to do the right thing as I now know – because you and media have reminded me over and over – I have been a public sector scrounger. (How did I not see this before?!). Also, I’m
worried about having nothing to spend in the corner shop and local
businesses to boost the economy. Can you tell me how to do this? Thanks.Initially, when you demanded this levy, I was really upset. I was
furious in fact. I thought everyone would have to share the pain as you so nicely put it. But now I see that it’s only monsters like me who have been irresponsible and greedy and have caused this crisis in
Ireland. I can now see why I should be treated like dirt.Please reply when you get a break from delivering all our
levy money to your nice friends in the banks.Sincerely,
Deirdre Deegan.
P.S. I know we don’t deserve to go to Kerry but, if you
Wouldn’t mind, would you explain to Katie that you took the holiday piggy bank?
Thanks.having difficulty understanding the point to this post – other than the writer disagrees with the pension levy and is very unhappy
with her life (salary, working hours, house location, the country’s government and financial “system”, cost of living etc etc etc)
Am I missing something?I think the point is Ken, that nobody is starting threads in forums about how greedy private sector workers are. I didn’t read too many posts about how unscrupulous private sector workers were over charging for at times shoddy workmanship, because they could. Or how some of the people in high tech jobs who may now be in danger of losing their jobs were paid ridiculous wages and and were happy to pay massively inflated prices for their houses and apartments and thus pushed the price of an average family home way out of reach of ordinary workers, private and public sector alike. How they helped create an unreal economy and then complain when it all came crashing down.
Yes..you can apply this argument to any sector… so please give it a rest with the public sector bashing…most of them are just ordinary working people.
And if we want to “sack” a goverment..well..it’s called the vote. Next time don’t be so quick to stick an X beside FF FG or Labour candidates.
Sorry to cause such angst Rob-wasn’t my intention.
I do think, if you read more on this thread, you’ll see that there hasn’t been that much PS bashing – more agreement
that it’s the moneyed and power brokers that have caused this problem, and as always it’s the rest of us that suffer most.nfl-fan wrote:
the politicians are Public Sector are they getting hit with a pension levy
Yep… they all are. A bill was published earlier
The bill makes it clear that the levy will apply to TDs and Senators, MEPs, Ministers, the Attorney General, Ministers of State, and the Ceann Comhairle and Leas Ceann Comhairle of the Dáil.
BTW: It is against the rules of the site to discuss politics.
OOPS!! It’s a long time since I read the rules. It’s like reading camera manuals, you only do it when you have to (at least when I have to anyway) That could be an interesting thread for another forum “How long did you have your camera before you finally read the manual and what was it that got you so puzzled that you had to?”
No angst Ken..you’re alright ;-)
I think with time people are gonna see the real picture.
I’m totally in agreement with Darkroom when he talks about workers sticking together. Cos I think times could get very rough in the next few years.
It’s all very well for Politicians to be playing the “patriot” card, but I believe that them and the greedies will invariably screw us to the wall.
When I hear phrases like “for the common good” dropping from most politicians mouths it makes me want to puke.
Charvez shirts anyone?
Expresbro wrote:
Charvez shirts anyone?
Don’t you mean hair shirts? Sack cloth and ashes all round I think.
Oh no..there’ll be some who will live the fine life while preaching restraint…
Charley boy’s spirit still lives on in Ireland I’m pretty sure.. :shock:
Expresbro wrote:
No angst Ken..you’re alright ;-)
I think with time people are gonna see the real picture.
I’m totally in agreement with Darkroom when he talks about workers sticking together. Cos I think times could get very rough in the next few years.
It’s all very well for Politicians to be playing the “patriot” card, but I believe that them and the greedies will invariably screw us to the wall.
When I hear phrases like “for the common good” dropping from most politicians mouths it makes me want to puke.
Charvez shirts anyone?
Chavez has had the regulations changed so that he can run for election for a third session. There’s a lot to be said for the original law there which stated that two terms of office was the maximum any one could hold. Now if we had rule that here…..
Does Hugo do sabbaticals? I think we should invite him over here for a while and send our lot over to Venezuela, give us all a break!
As regards all sticking together, it’s only right and anyway, if we don’t then it’ll be an awful long recession.
David
Expresbro wrote:
Oh no..there’ll be some who will live the fine life while preaching restraint…
Speaking of which I saw a guy driving down Georges street yesterday in a 09 Bently Continental GT.
You should have seen the looks he was getting. Maybe not the best time to be driving around dublin in
300,000 euro carGrahamB wrote:
Expresbro wrote:
Oh no..there’ll be some who will live the fine life while preaching restraint…
Speaking of which I saw a guy driving down Georges street yesterday in a 09 Bently Continental GT.
You should have seen the looks he was getting. Maybe not the best time to be driving around dublin in
300,000 euro carIs there ever a good time?
It wasn’t by chance a little small balding fella, round face, goatee beard and beady eyes?didn’t see the driver mate. Just the passenger, who looked like she cost way more that 300,000 to make and probably has higher running costs than the car
My sis just called to let me know that they’ve announced a 10% pay decrease for all staff where she works. There are also potential redundancies looming.
When things like this happen, so close to home, it suddenly bursts the bubble I’ve been floating around in.
There’ll be no marching in the streets or threats of strike action… she’ll just have to suck it up along with all of her other colleagues.
All of a sudden the Pension Levy sounds like an extremely attractive proposition.
J
I would happily and gladly take a drop in my wages at this stage.
Since I was made redundant I have applied for over 50 jobs and have heard nothing back.
I am a skilled, trained and experienced person who when times were good was regularly and actively
head hunted. Now nothing. So yeah that pension levy sounds mighty nice right now.
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