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Rita in the garden…
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As a newbie here I’ve been watching this thread with great interest, amusement, shock etc, etc. As the dust appears to be settling a little I just wanted to post up something I came across on another site under the critique section. I thought it was a useful set of guidelines and if they had been adhered to then maybe things might not have become so heated this week.
As a critiquer or a critiquee, I agree to:
* supply technical information along with my image, such as aperture, shutter speed, length of lens, and ISO used. I will indicate if I’m using a camera on auto-everything.
* acknowlege a fellow member’s critique of my image.
* not become defensive or give excuses once a fellow member has taken his/her valuable time and effort to supply me with a critique.
* avoid commenting on the beauty or lack thereof of the subject of the image, and put all my energies toward commenting on the photograph’s technical and artistic qualities.
* post only images for which I really desire critique, and not flood the forum with too many images at once.
* avoid being vague about what I want critiqued in an image. I will give critiquers a hint as to what areas I’m having questions about.
* not complain if I don’t receive many responses on an image I offer for critique.
* understand that anyone is qualified to give critique… since in real life most of the viewers of our images are not “qualified” either, yet their opinions are still valid.
* avoid giving non-constructive critques such as, “so cute”, “he’s adorable”, “love it”, or any such variations. I will try to make my critiques meaningful to the photographer, so that they can know why the image works or doesn’t work.
* understand that critiquers need not know how to fix a problem they notice in my image in order to mention it… simply identifying it may be enough.
* will not post requests for logo critiques, since they are not allowed in the open forums.For the record, I liked the image of Rita (2nd version was better imo). As a candid portrait – I do see a story in it, a private moment between husband and wife.
HTH’s :D
Hi Rob,
That’s a smashing photo. I’d have it framed at the side of the bed, if I was you. Lovely, natural expression, capturing a moment of Rita’s character. My missus can get her hand from wherever to the lens faster than 1/1000 of a second, so good capture too
Sean
Plasterers, builders and now bakers. ffs! Ooops sorry I forgot the sugar coating when addressing my number one stalker. I’ll start again… Plasterers, builders and now bakers, how cutesy wootsey you little sillybilly. But hang on am I dealing with kids in here? hm?
(ok better try go with the kid talk again)
If a proud baker acting like a self proclaimed champion puts a sign on his door inviting people in to his cake factory, stands there waiting for people to rain complements on his aesthetically correct cake, and I (another joe soap baker), a peer, put it in my mouth and it tastes sour, have I not got the right to tell him “Mr Baker don’t hate me for this but I think the cake is for the bin.” Leave it there and then everyone’s whining on about elaborating technically. A simple “I don’t like it” and they’ll proclaim it shows that you don’t know what you’re talking about.If it was an 8 year old little girl that baked it I’m sure it would be the best cake ever, even if it was mud and worm pie. Am I dealing with little 8 year old girls here? Am I?
Wanna stick with the cake nonsense for real?… I’ve seen a bunch of brides cut the cake take a nibble and like last week (and I quote) “it’s bleedin’ horrible”. Quick, fellow baker’s grab your pitch forks! How dare she call it like it is! Us photographers might sense an opportunity for a shot with that kind of information?!
NFL call me Nossie, arse or any other derogatory term if you prefer but there’s enough apparent ambiguity and misunderstandings when I talk straight with out you trying to be discrete and not naming names. Check down the front of your pants there lad. Look at ya all worried about your punctuation and being picked up on it. “oh I think that might be wrong but I don’t know where coz if I did I’d correct it so I’ll make an excuse coz I’m worried they’re all gonna think I’m tick” You could put up a tough united front and continue name calling to scare critics away but I suggest you breath, relax, have a think about it and just stick with your thoughts and your appreciated effort in communicating them in whatever albeit usually childish way you’re comfortable with.
So here’s the thing…
Steve wrote “Stay on talking about the picture or I’ll get me stick out” so I shut up and by others it’s blatantly ignored. Steve it’s your ball, your rules, you’re the boss. I hope you’ll let it run on though because on many levels I’m intrigued and it looks like I’m not alone. I bet page hits are shooting up anywhere the name Nossie appears. Plus I’ve gotten a good ol’ eye watering chuckle out of it along the way. Believe it or not, some respect too. All I ask is that you either stay out of it and play ref or pick a team. Don’t turn up in a Munster Jersey and a whistle. (oh yes I said it hehe).
To use an apparent loop hole as others have done to slip a post through I’ll comment on the picture. Since there was no criteria or text of any kind to explain what the person with the camera was trying to achieve or what aspect of photographic content, setup, equipment or processes (s)he’d like us address weather it’d be lighting, composition, subject matter, artistic impression, lens test etc, I’ll add yet another pointless comment;
“It is indirectly inspiring. I can now select my Avatar”. aiju! aiju!!2 people read the same book and gain 2 completely different experiences from it. Why?.. because they apply their own imagination to the story. Where does that imagination come from? Inside your own mind.
If you know nothing about me and you read a direct piece of text on a page and want to apply some emotions to it, then it’s your emotions not mine. It’s you that’s vindictive/hateful/spiteful not me. Some find it entertaining and light hearted, sit back, relax and enjoy the show. Whatever you feel I am not responsible for it. You are.
If you’re reading this text now, fleeting across the words and feeling your blood boil then maybe you should stop. You’re getting very angry and might hurt yourself. Still though, it’s only you that’s feeling it so suit yourself.
If I try to help you out and you don’t get it, I can understand that. It happens to me too, but I certainly wouldn’t slam their attempts and tell them they’ve a lot to learn because I don’t understand them. If I feel I understand them but I still don’t agree, then I accept their opinion and try to understand why they think that why but I still don’t agree. This doesn’t give me the right to make attempts at demeaning, humiliating, or attacking them under the guise of fair comments. To those of you that have done that, it shows poor character.
If I say I don’t like the taste of coffee then I don’t have to elaborate and you don’t need to insist that it’s lovely and ramble on about aromas and various flavours and techniques used baking the beans. I still won’t like it.What’s the first thing any bride wants to do before her wedding? You’ll definitely hear it in conversation at the dress fitting. Anyone? Any honest women here? They want to loose weight. Scoff scoff it’s a generic derogatory remark, a complete generalization, we the pitch fork society demand a public apology. I won’t be writing with a mind to the nit pickers. It’s not productive. If you didn’t say it or think it when you were getting your dress fitted then good for you. I’m pleased you are happy with your weight. Generally speaking it is the case. And every dress shop sales person has to deal with it. Isn’t it good for the sales staff to be prepared with a few delicate answers?
Now here’s a few quotes from women when they see themselves on screen or print. I’ll write it again “quotes from women“.
Now airbrush that won’t ya?
Cover the fat on my arms
Remove my double chin
Remove the bags under my eyes
Make me slimmer
My legs are too skinny
Make my skin look better
…and so on.
One more time… quotes from …???
What is it not? My humble nor arrogant opinion. It is not my blind guess. It is not my generalization. It is what’s drummed into me from 1000s of women commenting. A man that listen’s to women who’s he tryna cod?I went on to write at another point in time “Just yesterday I was asked by a 50something woman to remove 2 stone of fat in photoshop”. Again what is this?.. It’s a quote from yet another woman. I can sense you guys are catching on. Is it my opinion? No. Does it reveal any private information? No, it’s another useful (to the right person) statistic. Does it state how I reacted? No.
And here’s an example of how it get’s twisted.
Jessthedog yaks on about ethics and then rewords a private message out into the public forum. Ethics + PM posted public? Anyway she goes on to ask “are you happy for a client to leave with a print that makes her look 2st lighter, because you airbrushed it death?” and “don’t you have any respect for keeping a clients requests confidential?”.
Jess clearly wasn’t paying attention now was she?
I didn’t airbrush the picture at all but instead put the lady at ease with herself. I also didn’t and never shall say who it is.I’d say that was a good opportunity to ask few good probing questions and get some good information there. Oh but that would be pandering to my apparent arogance which would be a waste of time because after dealing with 1000s of women I clearly still know nothing.
Whoever yirman was that declared that the world is not flat but it is in fact round… I feel your pain.
Sometimes women think about all the other women that a photographer must have looked at through the lens and start comparing themselves to images of models in magazines. The result is that they feel embarrassed in front of the photographer. This isn’t a simple generalization of all women. There is no sexist slant here. This is a fact that I as a photographer have to deal with regularly. This has been said to me by women, it’s not as popular as the “make me skinny” line but it has popped up. And you people that clearly have no clue about this part of the business want to tear strips off me because I don’t pour out some generic sh1t about tweaking the levels on a picture.
This is a photography forum. This information is relevant.
Is it “worth printing on a canvas” is to imply would you waste your hard cash on it? Is the picture worth going further with? Of course it’s not a measure of how good the picture is but that’s another example of twisting my words I guess. Why wouldn’t you spend a 100 quid of your hard earned cash printing this picture?..because it’s just not that good. So all of a sudden “but why so harsh? It’s only a snapshot of my beautiful wife”. How the fc*k was I supposed to know? Go ask the boss for a snapshot section and don’t worry about what we think about her.
Lainey – A bit late for that now. hehe
Frank – A real man to stand by your words. Oh look your gone! Clearly didn’t read the thread “making them look high fashion” etc. etc.
Flipsake – I agree with the first half.
Jessthedog – The tone of your posts is both rude and immature. I don’t want to discuss it with you further. You were right about 1 thing though, I am popular with women. Might have something to do with actually listening to them?
Mick451 – Lost me. Looks like another comment on someone that you know absolutely nothing about. How clever of you.
jb7 – Love to talk on everything don’t ya ;0) Playing to the alleged insecurities of women. As above.
loGill – Technical requirements for a good picture; Mask, crop, levels. All that. I Gottit! (mask crop levels. mask crop levels. mask crop levels. mast chop lemons.) Fek I lost it, what’s it again please?
IrishWonkaFan – SDan can fend for himself. Again applying your emotions to others. I spoke to him about it and he’s oblivious to any offence. So maybe you should just concern yourself with what people direct at you. I suggest you query any potential offences before you go attacking. Calling me Raymond? pfft! We’re that close are we? If I’m not for you, well…?
…And good aul’ poetic Rob. You may call me Ray, Nossie or arse. Whatever makes you the most comfortable with yourself inside is fine by me. So you just thought you’d post another one of your endearing masterpieces and watch all the compliments come raining in did ya? “Great job Rob, maybe just crop and mast the lemons a bit” An apparently useful comment from seemingly close enough people that should know your potential already but go ahead and say it again and again anyway. Since I think most of your writing is whiskey fueled maybe there’s justice to that?
You epitomize photographic mediocracy in my mind. Sour grapes to you. At no time did I set out to insult anyone. You wanted a call on your photo you got it. How you can twist “She looks uncomfortable” in to “an in depth criticism of my wife”? Like seriously wtf?“it is just the image, and not the subject of the image, that was posted for critique.” << I'm gonna use that as my signature. Are you the same person the wrote sound bytes for Bertie Ahern? It is just the image, and not the subject of the image! Well then that clears everything up. Doesn't it? Bar the complete ambiguity I mean. What's the image without the subject? I'm sorry what do you do with an image if you take away the subject?
It’s just the image?! hm? – are you asking about my monitor? The “image” looks grand on my monitor. How does it look on yours? Strange question. Was there anything else?That’s that so since we’re here lets talk about the subject, the bit that you requested critique on.
Sorry, I’m new here and not sure how everything works, certainly not this, but what’s the subject of the image? Are the levels right? Are the levels the subject and Rita is the vehicle used to evaluate the levels? Is the subject Bemused Woman Perhaps? Is it catch lights? Is it “Are you happy to see your old friend Rita?” is the subject Eh no it’s “Rita in the Garden”
Subject = Rita in the Garden. No Garden to see so that just leaves Rita. A woman that I have no knowledge of and you want to know what I think of your picture that you made of her. Not great for the afore stated reasons. This is beneficial to you because it is completely objective.Compliments to you for making this thread so interesting and fun. People are crediting me with that but I know it’s all you baby.
Now go and cry your eyes out. And when you’re done crying life will go on.
Oh, and, I’d say it’s the first thing you did, but by chance there’s any reason you haven’t, don’t go telling your wife that she’s in the middle of all this. What good would you be doing her? Your little ego has caused enough of a furore.
Peace out people!
Calling me Raymond? pfft! We’re that close are we?
Hell no, Mr Brennan. Merely being polite using your name as you did in some “I know who you are” type PM to me. pfft yerself. But if you prefer Arse or Nobbie them just call it.
Actually I find you quite humerous of late. Not many can be so eloquent in spurning others opinions. But like most jokes once you’ve heard it, it becomes boring.
IWF.
irishwonkafan wrote:
Calling me Raymond? pfft! We’re that close are we?
Hell no, Mr Brennan. Merely being polite using your name as you did in some “I know who you are” type PM to me. pfft yerself. But if you prefer Arse or Nobbie them just call it.
Actually I find you quite humerous of late. Not many can be so eloquent in spurning others opinions. But like most jokes once you’ve heard it, it becomes boring.
IWF.
Twisting the intent of my PM again. No wonder you gel so well with the likes of some.
I’m glad you’re amused. Mostly the point now isn’t it? I was amused all along. I agree it’s getting to the point where I’m having to repeat myself, would be nice if people read the posts properly the first time around. So I’ve said all I’m willing to say on the matter bar maybe a few loose ends the might crop up.
Curious, I just put “Ray” for my real name in my profile. How far do you crazy fans go?
P.S. Anyone seen the movie “The ugly truth” yet? Or who’s line is it?.. “Are we not entertained?”
PPS. Re Bertie: “The minister of the matter in question has my fullest confidence to produce a satisfactory result”
oh and 1 more… “We fear what we do not understand”.
hehe ;0)
ok now i getting annoyed final warning then i start handing out bans
just leave it alone, no more!
And a word of praise for the quiet moderation of Steve – a certain lady from the thankfully distant past would have jumped in with both feet, then locked the thread, etc etc.
Kudos to Steve the Mod once again…….what a moderator! A couple of years ago lots of these comments and replies would have been deleted forever with a swift press of the moderator’s ‘delete’ button, causing untold anguish to those that had sat and typed their little hearts out (me included) only to wake up with a full mailbox and an empty space where there used to be lots of angry, funny, silly, intelligent, useless words.
Why don’t you tell us all one more time? Seeing as you’re on a roll it’d be nice to make it 3rd time lucky.
Whooosh….
…as it flies over his head once more…
If someone tells you you’re an ass you may shrug your shoulders
and laugh it off. If twenty people tell you the same thing it may
well be time to consider buying a saddle…Is that non-intellectual and non-poetic enough to understand?
Thanks to all contributors, contentious or otherwise, and to Steve
and Mark for letting it run…Too late to post????
Quickly… Me thinks tis a great shot, a nice personal moment well captured by you, personally i prefer the second image, but had it been me who captured the image in the fist place i would be happy with either… well done..
As for the rest of the posts… i wont get into it as i’ll end up getting banned… but….well… no.. i’ll stay quiet :shock:
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