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To be fair, Gizzo, I believe that the Catholic Church sets itself a much higher moral standard than I implied in my earlier statement. I can’t imagine teh pope calling somebody a Paki!
My observation is to do with the vast wealth that the church has and the asscoiated pomp and ceremony – and this in a world where people die of starvation.
BM wrote:
To be fair, Gizzo, I believe that the Catholic Church sets itself a much higher moral standard than I implied in my earlier statement. I can’t imagine teh pope calling somebody a Paki!
My observation is to do with the vast wealth that the church has and the asscoiated pomp and ceremony – and this in a world where people die of starvation.
There’s nothing wrong with wealth, per se. It’s what you do with it that matters.
Bill Gates seems to have the right idea (now). Warren Buffett spent his whole
life using wealth to get wealth, but now he’s giving it to Bill Gates – I’d argue he’s
got the wrong idea.BM wrote:
To be fair, Gizzo, I believe that the Catholic Church sets itself a much higher moral standard than I implied in my earlier statement. I can’t imagine teh pope calling somebody a Paki!
I hope that too, but what about if the Church (maybe not the Pope himself) tells the government (or the ONU) that it’s not right to put on the same level a homosexual couple with an eterosexual one?
I mean, on a legal way I hope that religious belief are put aside..
more than this, it’s not something that can easily lead to discrimination?BM wrote:
My observation is to do with the vast wealth that the church has and the asscoiated pomp and ceremony – and this in a world where people die of starvation.
you got another point here. that’s when faith is traded for power :(
Personally..I have zero tolerance for racism…in all it’s forms..
I see it all the time around me…to a greater and lesser extent. Casual racism is probably more sinister than the kind of over the top lunacy of people like the BNP or the National Front in the UK ( we have our own version here but fecked if i can remember their moniker).
No matter what way you look at it…calling someone from Pakistan (or India…racists generally don’t take the time to differentiate) a Paki is out of order, but is to be expected from someone brought up in that family of parasites. In fact a lot of times, it’s down to the upbringing a child gets. Just look at his Dad and you need look no further.
Same thing went for the Irish in England back in the 50’s and 60’s. The minute the Paddy word is mentioned you’re automatically put in your place. That applied to Irish of all persuasions and religion of course. You are an inferior race…and you are being let know that.
It’s all very well saying “sure it’s only a joke”..but history proves otherwise. Racist “humour” has always been used to fortify already ignorant stereotypes. I’m not liable to go thump someone cos they call me a Paddy..but I will immediately lose a lot of respect for that person..they will go way down in my estimation of them.
The same goes for anyone I hear using racist terms of any kind. It’s a sign of ignorance in my book..mental and social ignorance.
So that’s my contribution to the discussion..nice one Pete :wink:
Oh and I assume my views of Royalty are obvious from the above too. It’s a ridiculous and outmoded system in this modern age…(and yes…I put the papacy in the same bracket).
Interesting views Robbie. Given your last point on the royalty and the papacy, do you put the Presidency of Ireland in the same gathering given that it’s purely a mast head for society?
“Same thing went for the Irish in England back in the 50’s and 60’s. The minute the Paddy word is mentioned you’re automatically put in your place. That applied to Irish of all persuasions and religion of course. You are an inferior race…and you are being let know that.”
What gets me also is the people who state this fact about the irish who emigrated back in the 50’s and earlier and later and then
pass judgement on immigrants in Ireland. I have heard it from irish people in my general company from time to time about
guys I actually know from Iran, Syria, Poland, Lithuania and England, and when I put the argument to them it’s . . .“Ah that was different” or some feble excuse like that just to have a crack at a foreign national, I hate it.
Is it a kind of bravado thing I wonder, just not man enough to actually stand up for these foreign nationals or to make a point they
are actually being racist, instead just row in with the usual auld cr4p and have a laugh at someones expence?irishwonkafan wrote:
Interesting views Robbie. Given your last point on the royalty and the papacy, do you put the Presidency of Ireland in the same gathering given that it’s purely a mast head for society?
Does the presidency not entail some form of election or democratic appointment? Certainly it is not handed on from father to son. So, I wouldn’t classify the two as the same. There is certainly a need for a head of state, but the automatic entitlement (based on family lineage) to the wealth, status and appointment does not fit well with a modern (socialist) state.
Plus, I think that the President pays income tax.
Ah sure I like to think I have interesting views Alan.. ;-)
In answer to the question..I would be ambivalent towards the Presidency… and I have never voted when we had the choice to vote. I really didn’t see the point.In my opinion, we have enough Ambassadors as it is, and as far as my limited knowledge of the Presidency goes they never hold any real power and are just a rubber stamp for whichever government occupies the Dail. Although I suppose we are a Republic so we have to have a President right?
So I guess the answer is yes… :-)
Oh and Aoluain..meant to say I agree 100% with that. It always bugs me when I hear Irish people being so intolerant to people from outside these islands. You’d think we’d know better given our history..but then …most of these people don’t read their history.
I like to think I take people for what they are irrespective of race colour or creed and I try to teach my kids the same thing.
A better world begins at home right ;-)
Expresbro wrote:
I like to think I take people for what they are irrespective of race colour or creed and I try to teach my kids the same thing.
A better world begins at home right ;-)
Being a proud dad of two girls from China and who has had many many racial comments made to us and the kids..yes the kids, at 8 and 4, it is nice to hear comments like the above…………….
sometimes the stares are worse than words could ever be……….
A BETTER WORLD DOES BEGIN HOME………
CHEERS
It’s good to hear some forthright opinions.
Is racism a problem in Ireland? Unless I’m very mistaken, the Republic
has recently experienced its first wave of immigration for centuries.As Robbie says, having seen racial prejudice in action, you’d hope the Irish
would be above it. This doesn’t always follow: Indians with pale skin consider
Indians with dark skin inferior (not always, but look at Bollywood films and
see if you can spot the black South Indian). Some West Indians I knew in London
were incredibly racist about Africans – worse than most NF types I ever came
across.personally, I tend to think that racism goes with ignorance.
no matter the nationality.O.k
I am totally against racism. But in a way I can understand where its coming from. Originally I’m not from Ireland and to be honest Ireland is one of the welcomest countries I ever been in. People genarally are very nice to everybody and accept everybody. Its true.Can I ask how many people here who think they’re nonracist ar not extra alert when there is travellers around, or do not use the word “tinkers”.
Is it racist to refer to travellers as tinkers? Or to be anti-semitic?
These are interesting questions because unless the public
understands what causes offence then people will continue to be offended.
It should be a case of good manners, but being pleasant and civil and
treating individuals without prejudice is, apparently, not enough.Say, for example, my best friend was Indian and he loved me as much
as I loved him (in a manly, heterosexual, brotherly way, of course); I
would still be considered racist if I campaigned for Indians to be deported
on the basis of their colour. Some people would say I was racist if I campaigned
for the cessation of further Indian immigration.Breaking news: Prince Charles has an Indian friend and he calls him by the
nickname “Sooty”. This friend has issued a statement saying he’s happy being
called Sooty. This gets bizarrer and bizarrer!
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