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Sigma 10-20mm or Tokina 12-24mm?
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Point being that someone has gone to (what I’d like to think was) substantial effort to test these lenses and you come in a try and undermine that person with comments to suggest that they might be testing shower caps tomorrow…
Do you honestly think this is right? Do you think it’s fine to questions someones credibility just because you don’t agree with their opinion on a lens or because they work for a particular company?
Robbie??? Can ya hear me???
I’ve a 10-20. Quality of image I cannot argue with. I can’t argue because I don’t have the Tokina to compare. But what I do have is the Tokina 70-200mm f2.8. If build quality is anything to go by this will be a superb build. Mine rolled from my bag and chipped a floor tile – try that with a Sigma!
I think there’s enough complimentary votes for the 10-20 but that may be because of ownership as opposed to the Tokina. But, as reviews tend to bias towards the Sigma based on image quality and price I’d keep going in that direction – to me image quality is paramount. I’d go for a Tokina in any other ranges…but not this one.
Just another opinion.
Alan.
Jaysus lads..can’t leave yis alone on my thread for two minutes…. :cry:
I can just about hear ya over the din there Alan… :wink:
To be honest John..I was more interested in the personal opinions of people on this board who have experience with the lenses in this case, as I pointed out earlier, rather than Magazine tests or even other online forums. Think I said that at the beginning.
Why is every thread turning into an argument lately..why can’t we all just get along..why oh why!!!
Ahem…sorry…turning into Captain Kirk there.
Anyway..thanks Joseph for that insight…might PM ya if that’s okay and maybe arrange to have a look at both those lenses if you still have them? might give me a better idea, as a lot of it might be down to whichever one feels better to use.
John…cheers for your input too…but you gotta control that temper of yours Sonny..it’s gonna get ya in trouble…heheheh!!! ( Just be careful on those level crossings..ya hear!!)
Alan…I’m still dithering… good thing is I wont have the money for another 2 weeks or so..so plenty of time to make my mind up :-)
EDIT: Actually reading that again… I realise Joseph that you are probably referring to the NIKON 12-24mm which I donlt really want to look at as
1. I can’t afford anything like the price of it..and
2. I know once I do I’ll be sick and I wont think the Tokina is any use…hehe!!
Warped logic maybe..but it’s my crazy logic.
No temper… don’t think I’ve ever had one. Temper to me is a sign of weakness. I stand up for what I believe in… and it doesn’t require a temper to do this… just self-belief… and if someone takes exception… then so be it… but I won’t loose any sleep. Almost 34 years on this planet… only trouble I ever had was bullies in school… and they eventually got sorted out.
Taking words and assuming the tone or mood they were typed in is the internet’s greatest weakness. Biggest problem around here is that people assume that there’s arguements when in fact there’s not. A debate, no matter how heated, is only a debate… it is not an arguement, at least not where I’m involved.
I was only teasing John…no worries :wink:
Sometimes I think people see ill will on here were there isn’t any..and one thing leads to another and hey presto!!
I put it down to the artistic temperament of people who enjoy photography for photography’s sake.
But ya know damn well..if we all met up in a pub and had these discussions it would all be a lot less…Hmm…trying to think of a word…fractured maybe?
I don’t think there are any bullies in this playground John..not least that I’ve come across recently anyway..they have a tendency not to last the course :wink:
Oh, I wasn’t suggesting there were bullies here, just in case that’s what you thought, no, not at all.
And to jb7… a gentleman by the name of ‘Phil Hall’ conducted the tests. If you know him and have some valid reasons for questioning his professional opinions then so be it. If you don’t know him then I would question your remarks about shower cap testing. Simple as that. Nothing personal in that as far as I am concerned. But to be perfectly honest… I couldn’t give a sh*t either way… it’s too insignification… so it’s not worth falling out over.
Whether we agree or disagree… this thread will disappear in a few days time and nobody will remember this conversation.
I guess I better put these in now… so nobody thinks I’m turning green
:lol: :wink: :) :D
nfl-fan wrote:
Whether we agree or disagree… this thread will disappear in a few days time and nobody will remember this conversation.
Oh you’d be surprised how long these threads can hang around John …heheh!!
I just spent a couple of hours reading through some very interesting threads going back over 2 years ago….
and if I do it…I’m sure others do too….
So be careful of your words…they might come back and bite ya on the ass someday…. :wink: :wink:
Mine rolled from my bag and chipped a floor tile – try that with a Sigma!
Well, Alan, as you have the Sigma and the floor tile, I’m sure you won’t hesitate !!
:wink:Another lens to think about is the Tokina 11-16, its a 2.8 lens through out the zoom. Looks the same build quality as the 12-24 which is great. Not many reviews on it yet though ….
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0711/07111601tokina116.asp
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So have you bought the Siggy 10-20 then??? If so, I’d love to hear how you’re getting on with it as I’m practically about to purchase one. I currently use a siggy 18-50 f2.8 for my landscape shots and do find it a little restricting at times. Hence wanting a 10-20…. So love to hear how you’re getting on with it.
Not yet Brian…still haven’t got the necessary funds… :cry:
But I have more or less decided on the Sigma….don’t think I could take anymore conflicting reviews and opinions.. :wink:
I was veering more towards the Tokina..for the build quality and the constant f4…but I’ve been pretty much convinced that a wide angle is purchased for the fact that it’s wide…and the Sigma is just..well..wider…if that makes sense..
Also I’ve read a lot about the CA problem on the Tokina and that would worry me more than distortions.
I’ll let you know as soon as I’ve used it what I thihnk..should be in the next few weeks hopefully.
In the meantime, Alan (Wonkafan), John (Nfl Fan) and probably a host of others here use it..so I’m sure they’d give you the lowdown on the 10-20.
Tokina users seem to be thin on the ground though.
I have the Sigma 10-20.. but jaysus lads.. I don’t know what constitutes a good lens from a bad lens.. to me they either work or don’t work and are either cheap or expensive.
Just looks at my shots in the landscape section and make your own mind up.
I operate at 10mm almost all of the time (except when I’m using multiple lens filters which can cause some vignetting so I have to bump to 13-14mm).
Just my opinion, I have the Sigma 10-20mm and I absolutely love it especially at 12mm just don’t step it down below f/16 and you really need to understand hyperfocal distancing to get it sharp
Just my 2 cents
DarraghRight boyo’s, I’ve just purchased one with a 77m Cokin adapter. I’d been considering one for a while and to heck with it, it’s only money. For me it was a toss up between the Sony 11-18 and the Siggy 10-20. The Tokina 12-24 was only ever briefly considered, as I have an 18-50 and didn’t really think 6mm gain was worth investing in. Just my opinion. The Sony lost out because of the price, although it got some crackin’ reviews.
I’ll let yis know when I post me first photo with it, who knows I might even get one ready for me Exhibition.
Re: the Sigma QA. My personal view is that if a company manufactures a product in large enough numbers, (as Sigma does) there are bound to be some dude ones. It’s just the same with cars. Look at the JD Power reports, more often than not the high volume manufacturers are commonly toward the end of the tables. Why? Because they produce more dude cars than the smaller produces. What’s important is the percentage of dude products it produces.
I’ve had or have had Sigma 28-200, 70-200 f2.8 and 18-50 f2.8 and have never had any problems with IQ or build quality, touch wood!!
Well I better get reading before I get my lens..cos I don’t know anything about Hyperfocal distancing Darragh. I’ve heard the term..but don’t know what it’s about.
Maybe I already do it and don’t realise that’s what it’s called..hehe!!
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