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Golden rule on the site here, which all must be aware of at this stage and if not there are no excuses
and that it no critiquing the critique. Thorsten’s opinions regarding the image are 100% valid and he is entitled
to have them, simple.Thorsten: I think that most people here on PI would see you as a valued and knowledgeable member.
By the way, if anyone knows of members leaving here as a result of whatever issue, please let me know
who and if you know why, then the reason also.thanks
Ahem…I have been slow to comment on this …but I feel I have to say something here. I have heard this silly childish comment about a clique on the site more than once in the last month or so. The truth is ..that yes..there are cliques, if you want to call them that..in fact …there are several “cliques”. There are cliques of people who will naturally gravitate towards each other through mutual interests..like minded views..and..shock horror!! Friendship!!
and then there are some people for who the whole damn world is a clique. It’s life. But it’s not photography.
I think that to be castigated for breaking a rule that is broken in varying degrees every day of the week on here ( and yes…I agree that Denver Doll did critique a critique) and yet to allow personal attacks with snide remarks about “cliques” for the second time against the same poster strikes me as wrong.
I do not believe that anybody has left this site because they felt left out. I have certainly never felt left out…and I came in as an “outsider” just like most of the rest of the members. I have learned from posters on this site…and I think I have given back in return in my own small way. Since I’ve joined up here…the only person I recall “leaving” was a certain Paddy Joe..and sure we all know he never really left at all…wink wink.
I think if people spent more time worrying about how they could improve as photographers and less about how many supposed cliques there are everywhere, this site would be a better place.
Just my 2 punts worth.
Robbie
(Member of a clique and proud of it!!)Newbie, risking the wrath of the clique’s..
Im pretty new here, I try and post a couple of times a day as time allows.
Ive always read the forums with interest and upto now Id have to say
that it definitely seems to me that there are clique’s here.Now I may well be wrong and myself and others simply dont fit in with
some of you guys, but as a new member I think Im in a unique position
in comparison to some of you guys, and that is the position of still forming
first opinions on the forum and its members.I see posts from Thorsten all the time and I always think he comes off as
someone who clearly knows what he is talking about. On the same note
I see other people who seem overly keen to express some sort of an
opinion and that opinion immediately gets backed up and followed up
on by a number of people. Its almost a pattern by now, if certain ppl
like it, a few more ppl from that clique will like it too.Now I know clique’s are a fact of life, its like group’s of friends, it’s even
a good thing when the clique are responsible about it, but what I would say is,
if youre in a group of friends here then try and welcome new people a little more.This next bit is going to sound like im just looking for acceptance here, if that was
the case Id probably just roll in behind some of you guys on your already stated
opinions rather than offer my own, but recently on the events tab I voted in the poll
on a matter of a trip to the west of Ireland and replied to the thread stating
that I would definitely go, if you guys didnt mind a newbie coming along,
Did any of you seasoned members attempt to make a newbie feel welcome by replying?
No, nobody replied at all, this doesnt bother me, I dont crave acceptance and in fact Ill
probably go along anywayz, but the lack of replies wouldnt exactly encourage other new
members to stick their necks out.I obviously havent left, but I have been tempted, it’s only been the wealth of information
and Mark’s close attention to the forum that has kept me interested.Just a newbie’s 2 cents.
AlanHi Alan,
Welcome to the site… Keep posting, keep sharing your opinions. Clique seems to be a derogatory word. There are groups within every group. We/they are just people that know each other. As Thor says above somewhere, many of us offer different levels of critique dependent upon the poster. I know Ali (and also myself), like a damn good critiquing, that’s how we get to expand our views on shots. I might not agree with others critiques but I do find them valuable. Personally, I often offer critique on the people shots, but don’t on the others as People shooting is my area of interest.
With respect to this shot, I think everyone agrees that it is a good shot, out of respect for Ali we offer our opinions as to what could be different (not neccessarily better or worse). I like the eyeliner as it is the highest point of contrast in the piece and draws my eye to the the eyes. Others don’t. In photography, there is no right and wrong, just differing views.
And finally, Lovely shot Ali, apologies for adding my tuppence here but after all, the point of forums (fora?) is to stimulate discussion), daughter dearest, kiss kiss….
Si
alzaphod wrote:
Newbie, risking the wrath of the clique’s..
Alan
Hee Hee-
It seems you’ve already suffered the worst to happen on a forum-
the rudeness of having your post ignored or unacknowledged-When somebody writes something, at least there is a measure of inclusion-
even if it doesn’t happen to agree-But to start a thread and to then ignore comments is the height of rudeness-
I’ve seen it happen myself,
and after occurring a couple of times,
I just wouldn’t bother going there again-
I would ignore subsequent posts from that type of poster-Its good to get the views of members who have recently joined-
j
Hey Ali,
With regards the shot – yes I like it. Technically very well shot, the model is posed perfectly
and I love the eye makeup, it draws me to her eyes perfectly.On the “Clique” conversation ( and here is the end of Graham on PI ) well all I can say
is GROW UP FOLKS. Yes people drift towards similar interest. The film section is a good example.
A group of like mind people who seem to do most of the posting is not a Clique. I mean what do people
want group hug sessions to make them feel all warm and cuddly inside.I joined this forum to improve my photography and to meet people with similar interests. I hope I’ve improved
and yes I have made some excellent friends along the way. I have not joined a Clique though and resent the impliciations
that carries with it.So I reckon we stop with this Clique and acceptance crap and get on with taking pictures, if you want acceptance then join a self help
forum not a photography forum.Sorry Ali if thats a little bit of thread hyjacking but all that political crap really pisses me off and takes away from the reason why we are here.
Mark – rest assured if I do leave this site it will be because of this petty crap.
All I can say is..Amen to that bro…. 8) 8)
The best way in my opinion is to get in there..post lots…and don’t be worrying when you don’t get replies. When I joined up I didn’t know anyone on this site and it took me a while before I did get to know anybody. But I hung around..posted more.,.and eventually yis couldn’t ignore me even if ya tried…heheh!!
Exactly Rob, the first couple of shots I posted were completly ignored, did I go crying eh no.
Was I embarrased by some members trying to make a show of the newbie ( we all remember the thread )
yes, did I go crying eh no.for people who want to learn about photography go to https://www.photographyireland.net
for people who want acceptance and hugs go to http://www.maybefriends.comGrahamB wrote:
Sorry Ali if thats a little bit of thread hyjacking but all that political crap really pisses me off and takes away from the reason why we are here.
Mark – rest assured if I do leave this site it will be because of this petty crap.
Maybe you weren’t around at the weekend to witness this ‘petty crap’
so you can’t be expected to know the context in which the subject of leaving the site was brought up?Or maybe you do, but have forgotten.
Remember, one particularly nasty piece of petty crap has been deleted from this thread-
after it was re-opened-
and your exhortations for people to GROW UP will not endear you to many-Apologies for butting in…
j
jb7 wrote:
Remember, one particularly nasty piece of petty crap has been deleted from this thread-
after it was re-opened-j
Nastiness..? On PI Joseph?
Surely not!!!
So there is more to the story than is evident huh?
I’m not looking to endear myself to anyone Joseph.
I would have hoped that regardless of whether or not people
“like” me they would still have the decency to comment on my shots and
help me grow as photographer. This isn’t a popularity contest for me and I’m
not looking to be one of the gang here. I do have my friends on this site and they know
me to be honest and say what I think.
I do think people need to grow up. Some of the comments made on this thread and others
just take me back to being in the playground as a kid. It is adults acting like children and
has no place on forum like this.I stand by my previous comment 100% , some people do need to grow up and act like adults.
Hi Ali,
Just to bring this back to critique,I think the lighting and skintone in this is wonderful. The rendering as high key also is a great choice.
The bottom crop with the hand and arm position is good, but I think the hair crop is too tight.The eye makeup is a little heavy, but not a lot. It does serve to draw us to the eyes, but is still just a little much.
I have a few images with a similar pose and I get critiques saying the pose looks awkward. I’m in two minds here. I like the head tilt, but it may be a little too tilted.
I want to make it clear that I’ve no agenda in my critiques, except one. Honesty. I prefer to say how I feel about it. If people don’t like that, try Photosig or Photopoints where everybody ‘loves’ your image!
There’s no doubting your ability Ali. And you’re getting better all the time, going from strength to strength. Maybe I’ll be as good one day ;)
what a strange thread…
Anyway, I wanted to ask a question about this pic from the first day I saw it but wasn’t even logged in and didn’t have time… But sure seeing as I have a spare few minutes now ;)
…as this is a wedding photograph – should the model be wearing a wedding ring? Or is the shot just to show the outfit/model etc?? I noticed another shot of the same model (I think it was anyway) and although her left hand wasn’t as visible you could see that she hadn’t got a wedding ring or engagement ring (on either hand) on… Even to move the ring she had on her middle finger across one would do the trick?
Just something that bugged me as I looked at it!
(did you know – some traditions suggest that the reason the ring is worn on that particular finger, is because of the belief that there is a vein which runs directly from that finger, to the heart… awwww!)
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