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Thanks Brandyman. I have never been a member of a camera club so am not really aware of how the politics works. I do have a Flickr account with over 3,000 images and I am happy to post there and to have people comment as they wish.
I want to be free to post on this forum too which is a “local” site and I agree with Danny that there may be grounds for having a forum for publishing photos here other than for criticism.
In the meantime I am happy to have constructive criticism of any images I post as I find I learn a lot from such comments. I am not happy when other members make sarcastic or snide remarks. If I don’t have anything constructive to say about someone else’s work I try not to be destructive. I may not always succeed but I try anyway.
It’s not a politics thing Dave, its just ‘proper critique’ – ie critique based on what makes a photograph work. The sort of things you will see talked about in this thread:
https://www.photographyireland.net/viewtopic.php?t=1820&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0joolsveer wrote:
Thanks Brandyman. I have never been a member of a camera club so am not really aware of how the politics works. I do have a Flickr account with over 3,000 images and I am happy to post there and to have people comment as they wish.
I want to be free to post on this forum too which is a “local” site and I agree with Danny that there may be grounds for having a forum for publishing photos here other than for criticism.
In the meantime I am happy to have constructive criticism of any images I post as I find I learn a lot from such comments. I am not happy when other members make sarcastic or snide remarks. If I don’t have anything constructive to say about someone else’s work I try not to be destructive. I may not always succeed but I try anyway.
This is going on and on and on and on and on and on and on and…. well you get the point :roll:
1. You say you’re not snide, but yet you consistently refer to me without naming me. Be a big boy Dave and just spit it out! I can take it.
2. You greatfully accept “nice shot” which isn’t constructive but find comments like “They don’t have any appeal” as being destructive :roll:
3. Whilst there may or may not be a photo sharing forum in the future, this isn’t one at the moment, so critique, good and bad should be accepted. It’s not about camera club politics it’s about photography and developing everyones skills/talents.joolsveer wrote:
I don’t agree that we can divorce ourselves from our surroundings and the effects they have on us personally. The history of Dublin (or any other location) cannot be excluded from our work which shows those places.
If our life experiences are not to have an influence on our “snaps” or “artworks” we might as well give up. I am happy to have your critique and that of all other viewers even those who make sarcastic comments. I try (and I hope I succeed) in not making snide comments about other members’ work and I wish that all abided by the same principle.
Leaving aside whatever peeves you have with other members of the forum or the ethos of Critique .. If you aim to communicate something in this image please explain directly what it is (by directly i mean in the specific context of what we can see in this image)- I’m missing something obviously. I looked at your image from a number of perspectives..
* what is the subject
* is it well taken technically
* does the photographer communicate a message/ emotion to me
* is it visually/ aesthetically pleasing
* can it be improved, if yes howThese are also registered in my thinking when i post an image .. for instance if I post a picture of a field i played in as a child but it doesn’t commnicate that emotion and people critique it constructively .. my image or representation isn’t improved by the fact that I have a sentimental attachtment to the shot or the location. Other people cannot be expected to see my sentimental attachment to the image if there is no emotional information in the shot to begin with.
In my opinion – if you look at your images with more detachment, and with a view to what the viewer will see and undertsand in the image then you will “improve” your work dramatically… but thats just my opinion
I feel I have positively communicated as much as I can or care to on this image but if you want to continue in relation to my input please PM me.
L
I would like to remind members that sarcastic remarks are not useful. I am aware of the history behind this, and don’t find dragging it into another thread as helpful at all.
LoGill wrote:
In my opinion – if you look at your images with more detachment, and with a view to what the viewer will see and undertsand in the image then you will “improve” your work dramatically… but thats just my opinion
Excellent advice, and very similar advice to that given to me when I entered my first competition.
I dont think its as bad as some people here think – though having said that all those posts, poles, cranes and wires make it all a bit too busy. Also processing wise I think it looks more flat than it needs to in my opinion.
gerardk wrote:
I dont think its as bad as some people here think – though having said that all those posts, poles, cranes and wires make it all a bit too busy. Also processing wise I think it looks more flat than it needs to in my opinion.
Thanks for that. If people here think it is a bad photo I accept their opinion. Just because I like the shot doesn’t mean that I think it can’t be improved and I welcome advice to that end.
I suppose I need not apply to join Ciaran’s clique now.
{quote=”ciaran”]Wonderful shot Dave ;)[/quote]
Ciaran, If for some reason I have offended you I am very sorry.
I would appreciate if you would ignore commenting on my work in future be it art or otherwise if you refuse to be civil.
Dave
I don’t think that’s reasonable. I try to steer clear of these altercations, but you know very well that the reason Ciaran posted his remark was because of the bad grace with which you responded to his comments in a different thread.
It’s perverse to put your images in a critique forum and then refuse appraisal from some of the forum’s most able commentators.
Dave, the point of my sarcastic remark on this thread was because you didn’t accept my completely civil critique, albeit non favourable, that I made in another thread. At no time apart from this thread had I felt offended by you, but your comments about me being snide, without naming me and now about the clique comment are certainly offensive. But that said, I won’t lose sleep :) Anyway, let’s draw this to a close?
Just to add a perspective to my original comments – I posted them purely as a critique of the photographic elements of the shot.
While I live in Dublin, I’m not a “local” and mthe historical relevance is totally lost on me, hence my comments. Hope they were taken in the constructive manner they were intended!
Tim
I agree with Ming/SteveD.
No personal remarks or digs folks!. Guy, please keep any issues them between yourselves in a private manner.
Doesn’t do yourselves or the site any good to have problems aired in public.Everyone else, just keep to the critique, please :) Its much more interesting
Thanks
MarkMark wrote:
I agree with Ming/SteveD.
No personal remarks or digs folks!. Guy, please keep any issues them between yourselves in a private manner.
Doesn’t do yourselves or the site any good to have problems aired in public.Everyone else, just keep to the critique, please :) Its much more interesting
Thanks
MarkMark, I was unable to get onto the forum until today at lunchtime so did not have a chance to respond until now.
I have no personal issues with Ciaran as I have never had the pleasure of meeting him. I have, however, read his remarks on this thread and others and some of those comments I did not agree with as he seems to have the habit of playing the man and not the ball. It is his behaviour that I am complaining about and not his photography which I am sure is as good as that of the rest of us. In my opinion he is neither a demigod nor a devil and should be treated in the same way as everyone else.
I reserve the right to agree or disagree with anyone who comments on my work and I don’t feel an obligation to take as gospel the words of anyone. You will note that I have apologised to him if I have offended him in any way and I would appreciate if he would reciprocate.
I am happy to let the administrators and moderators deal with trouble makers.
Jools,
You bet you have the right to disagree or agree with the critique given.
My point is just about people passing remarks to/about one another in posts.Mark
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