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Tram at Kingsbridge
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I genuinely hope that the moderators decide to leave this reply in, as they have had no issue with Dave referring to me as snide, as having a clique, and as being offensive. I have taken some time and effort to draft this reply, so I would appreciate if it was left for Dave and others to read, as I feel it is only fair now that I am given the opportunity to defend myself :!:
joolsveer wrote:
I have no personal issues with Ciaran as I have never had the pleasure of meeting him. I have, however, read his remarks on this thread and others and some of those comments I did not agree with as he seems to have the habit of playing the man and not the ball.
I find this completely defamatory and offensive. At no point on this forum, with just one exception, have I EVER referred directly to a photographer rather than his or her photos. I challenge you to prove me wrong and I absolutely demand an apology when you can’t :!: The one and only time I have ever “played” the man was when PaddyJoe decided to call me a pervert and this issue should be of no concern to you. Certainly in all my comments on your posts, until this one I HAVE NEVER commented directly about yourself and have limited my comments to the photographs you post.
Indeed I have been and will continue to be honest when I comment on photos, so if I do not like a shot, I feel perfectly entitled to air that opinion. If I feel they are “snapshots” and have no photographic merits, I will say so. Everyone is absolutely entitled to opinions and comment on the photos. You however have certainly played the man and not the ball. You hardly ever comment on my photos, but here you have felt very free to hurl abuse through being completely offensive.
joolsveer wrote:
It is his behaviour that I am complaining about and not his photography which I am sure is as good as that of the rest of us. In my opinion he is not a demigod or a devil and should be treated in the same way as everyone else.
At NO time have you ever raised my “behaviour” with me in private, but yet you feel it appropriate now to raise it here, in public… after both Mark and Steve have suggested taking it offline and in private. Also your comments come after I suggested bringing this thread to a close? So what behaviour is it that you don’t like? Is it “playing the man?” Because if it is, I would appreciate some proof of this and also, wouldn’t you be very hypocritical complaining about this, considering your comments in this thread? I find your demigod/devil comments extremely offensive.
joolsveer wrote:
I reserve the right to agree or disagree with anyone who comments on my work and I don’t feel an obligation to take as gospel the words of anyone.
And you’re absolutely entitled to that right. And other people, i.e. myself reserve the right not to like some photographs and comment accordingly. No one’s opinion is gospel, I certainly never made any statement to say mine were such. But mine are honest opinions of myself.
joolsveer wrote:
You will note that I have apologised to him if I have offended him in any way and I would appreciate if he would reciprocate.
You apologised for past offence and continued to hurl more? Please tell me what I should apologise for? What I have done below is dug back through our posts and found the last 6 threads you posted which I commented on. At no time was I offensive. At no time did I play the man and not the ball (unlike yourself) Read back and see for yourself:!:
joolsveer wrote:
I am happy to let the administrators and moderators deal with trouble makers.
I assume you’re referring to me here again? Surely this is playing the man and being abusive? Your biggest problem with me Dave is that you don’t like people to comment negatively on your shots – END OF STORY. This is extremely evident in the shots posted below. Any thread where people (not just me) comment negatively, you get defensive!!
Below are the last 6 threads where I commented on Daves shots, with my comments attached here. Please tell me where I was offensive? Just as a point of interest, any thread where I commented positively, Dave never came back with any issues on my critique :!:
Tram at Kingsbridge https://www.photographyireland.net/viewtopic.php?t=3447
ciaran wrote:
Wonderful shot Dave Wink
Old streets of Dublin https://www.photographyireland.net/viewtopic.php?t=2305
ciaran wrote:
I’ll be honest I saw these shots and just “humphed”. They’re average, the content doesn’t appeal to me and all in all I found them boring – they just didn’t grab my interest. BUT your comment and then Dave’s comment about saying “perhaps it’s the Holga” made me want to comment. Dave, technically I think all the shots are well delivered, regardless of what camera you used. Ok, perhaps there are some areas over exposed, but all in all I find them technically OK. But there’s nothing in any of the shots that make me look twice, the content just doesn’t appeal.
By any other name https://www.photographyireland.net/viewtopic.php?t=3128
ciaran wrote:
For a dull morning you did REALLY well. Colour, lighting, sharpness, exposure are all spot on as is DOF. Very nice
Rotten https://www.photographyireland.net/viewtopic.php?p=21013
ciaran wrote:
Two technically well delivered shots in terms of exposure, sharpness, DOF etc. I don’t really see a shot in the first one personally and would go along with the suggestion of shooting it head on. B&W may work too as it might help give it an extra decaying edge. As you can’t do this in photoshop, I’d be inclined to crop out the bottom left of the existing one.
Second shot is disgusting Smile which is exactly what it should be. A tighter crop on the right (perhaps square) might work and consider dodging in the white highlight above the fruit.
The watched skater https://www.photographyireland.net/viewtopic.php?p=17421
ciaran wrote:
Dave, I hope you don’t get the impression that I’m in anyway targetting your shots, because I fear I haven’t been a fan of the last few you posted. It’s nothing personal, I’m just saying what I feel and in this case I’m afraid I’m not a fan either. If it’s a shot of the skater, I’m afraid he’s just way too small in the frame and also lost in the shadows. A shot like this could be aimed at giving a feeling of isolation, but this just looks like the photographer didn’t bother getting closer or indeed lower, rather than shooting at eye level.
Waiting for a tram https://www.photographyireland.net/viewtopic.php?p=17340
ciaran wrote:
Some times I find it helps if I include a line or two to help set the scene before posting the shot. Perhaps you can tell us what you were trying to capture here Dave? I’m afraid like the others I’m left wondering as to what exactly it was you were trying to capture/convey?
This whole situation is ludicrous guys, and you’re not doing any favours for yourselves or the site airing it all in public (just being honest – no offence intended!)
I don’t believe that Ciaran’s posts have been derogatory, defamatory, or in any way out of order, but they have obviously been taken that way, and caused obvious distress. I’d personally take the view that if pics are posted on a photography forum, then critical evaluation should be expected. I’d much rather someone give me 10 things I could improve on my shots than say “great job”, as i learn nothing from this. perhaps this should be remembered when reading all the comments above.
Could I be so bold as to suggest that the thread is locked (not removed), and each of you take 2 steps back, and drop the issue, agreeing to differ? It’ll never get resolved in any case, until one of you spits out the dummy and is never seen again (not good either!).
Tim
I don’t think it needs to be locked, because I’m sure everyone involved understands that this difference of opinion should now be continued in private (if at all!). If any new posts in this thread could be in relation to the photo itself, that would be most appreciated.
Thanks,
SteveI like Brandyman’s crop more than the original. All the street furniture is too much for me in the first version.
Horace
earthairfire wrote:
Just to add a perspective to my original comments – I posted them purely as a critique of the photographic elements of the shot.
While I live in Dublin, I’m not a “local” and mthe historical relevance is totally lost on me, hence my comments. Hope they were taken in the constructive manner they were intended!
Tim
Thanks Tim for your comments. Even though I am, on my mother’s side, three generations a “jackeen” (people from outside Dublin called us this because we were thought to be less Irish and more British than them) I am not a true Dub because my father came from outside the city (Templeogue). I don’t blame anyone even those born and bred in the city for not being aware of the history of a street scene as a revisionist version was regularly trotted out in schools.
The second image I posted here reminds me that in the 1920s my mother and her siblings used trudge up Steevens’ Lane to school and in my memory a Guinness train used to haul wagons from the brewery on the left to Kingsbridge Railway Station on the right.
If my photos of this streetscene were able to convey any of this history of the Dublin streets I would be glad.
PoeticJustice wrote:
I like Brandyman’s crop more than the original. All the street furniture is too much for me in the first version.
Horace
Thanks for your feedback. I think the poles and wires of the tram system are now part of the streetscape and I decided not to try to hide them as the tram was shot in context. I know it is not aesthetically pleasing though.
Ming the Merciless wrote:
I don’t think it needs to be locked, because I’m sure everyone involved understands that this difference of opinion should now be continued in private (if at all!). If any new posts in this thread could be in relation to the photo itself, that would be most appreciated.
Thanks,
SteveI agree Ming that any further posts on this thread should relate to the photos posted and will abide by this.
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