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What cam? (€600-€800)
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Ok im sure this question has been asked before so if you want to direct me to the relevant thread you can, but ill ask it anyway.
This one is for those who are experienced with equipment already. If you woke up in the morning and found yourself to be a complete novice again, what SLR camera would you buy (in the 600-800 price range) to learn off? Im basically looking for a camera that i can learn from but thats going to stay with me for a long time. Ive messed around with entry level cameras already so im ready for the next step. Ease of use is essential. I like equipment that makes it easy for you to be creative. So if you have any ideas of what camera would be good for me im all ears :DI use a D200 and think it is a great camera wiht a lot of spec but fairly easy to use
There is one here in the for sale section
https://www.photographyireland.net/viewtopic.php?t=25188Cathal
I use a Canon 450D started off using it and havent looked back. Very user friendly and after a few hours of messing around with it you will find it easy to use. I think its around the 700 euro price range at the moment. Tried the Nikon D40 before getting the 450D and IMO 450D is a great buy. With its 12megapix the image quality is excellent.
Before I suggest a camera to buy, what type of pictures will you be taking. (portrait, sports, landscape, etc.)?
In addition will you also be looking into purchasing lens
Hi.I use a few olympus cameras, so if you are interested you can get an olympus E520 twin kit i.e. with 2 lens 14-42mm, and 40-150mm for well within your budget maybe with a few euro to spare.It is a 10Megapixel camera though pixels is nothing to worry about as most photographers although their cameras may be rated up to 20MP would rarely shoot any higher than 3-4MP unless you plan to blow up the image for huge posters or advertisements.I would read about image stabilization and kit lenses.Most cameras do not have IS built into them, though certain lenses do and it really helps to have it, though the E520 has IS built into it as standard so no matter what lens you attach it is stabilized, i.e the sensor shifts and moves around to counter act hand movement or any sudden bumps.The Olympus Zuiko lens also are according to experts which are neutrals as far as camera brands go, superior to other kit lens from nikon and canon and can compete with the entry level pro lens from those stables also.I admit though the camera menu at the start can be difficult to navigate and work through but with a bit of time you should master it.
Here is a link to the cameracentre website were i bought minehttp://www.camera.ie/digital-slr/olympus/16444/e-520-+-14-42-and-42-150-twin-kit
Good luck with whatever you buy.
depends what an entry level camera is in your book. if your talking about a 450d type then buy a 50d or a used 5d, if your talking about a superzoom s9500 type then buy a 450d or a 50d. having said that a used 40d from england on ebay at the moment sells for about 400-500 euro-bargain of the century in my opinion and it’ll stay with you for a few years.
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It is a 10Megapixel camera though pixels is nothing to worry about as most photographers although their cameras may be rated up to 20MP would rarely shoot any higher than 3-4MP unless you plan to blow up the image for huge posters or advertisements
without interpolation even a 20mp image cant print at a2 with good results, but 8mp is fine even for a0 printing with interpolation, so a minimum of 8-10mp is what you need-just in case you buy a stupidly big printer and remember the pictures are no good sitting on a hard drive somewhere-print them and print them bigquote
I would read about image stabilization and kit lenses.Most cameras do not have IS built into them, though certain lenses do and it really helps to have it, though the E520 has IS built into it as standard so no matter what lens you attach it is stabilized, i.e the sensor shifts and moves around to counter act hand movement or any sudden bumps.
IS is handy, far from necessary-learn to use a camera and the IS becomes almost irreleventscas well i wouldnt contemplate shooting without IS now and i am confident in my shooting abilities and could shoot without it, but why bother when you have it as standard on any lens while with olympus.Also i agree on the canon 40d, excellent piece of kit, i was considering buying one just to have as a play thing, but im going to give it a while and buy a 5DmarkII as a play thing.Im not one of the people that is a die hard brand head, i will consider any camera, but have choosen Olympus for now because of the built in IS, the built in supersonic wave filter, which guarantees no dust on your sensor and X2crop factor which is handy.Until the competition has something that has all of that in one body, il just stick with my 2 oly’s. :)
i wasn’t slagging off olympus cameras or any other brand-i just happen to have a couple of canons so i know the nomenclature, as usual i stick with canon merely because at this stage i’ve got so much stuff for that brand so it’d cost me a fortune to change. nikon, sony and all the others do fine cameras i’m sure and yes the crop factor is handy for telephoto stuff-i use my 1d 2n more than the 5d because of it-but i still think IS is only handy
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I use a Canon 450D started off using it and havent looked back. Very user friendly and after a few hours of messing around with it you will find it easy to use. I think its around the 700 euro price range at the moment. Tried the Nikon D40 before getting the 450D and IMO 450D is a great buy. With its 12megapix the image quality is excellent.
Would agree. I bought one in April 08 and am very pleased with it. Exremely sharp learning curve though, having moved from a P & S in auto. Regarding Olympus they are a superb camera. I had a C2020Z for a while and the pictures were stunning. I was torn for ages between an E510 and the then-new 450D.
For my first post i like to desagry whith you.
You should think at what type of lense you want to buy and look at the price of it
Go tried different model, it may be one fitt you better than a other one
Nikon and Canon are the most populare, and you will find more used lens but for nikon (for exemple) the D40 and 60 you will have to buy a lense with the focus “inside” and bost (nikon and canon) don’t have the vibration reduction
Pentax have the vibration reduction in the body, very good dust remouvable, a body all weather, autofocus, 11 collimators (don’t know if it’s the rigth translation), pentaprisme ….. and fit all the used lense, and cheaper ! 8)
So think at what you need and how much you want invest in the futurif somebody have a better translation for help me :wink:
I started out on an entry level Pentax K100D DSLR, and have just upgrade to thier K20D which is currently thier top model at the moment.
Both have been wonderful to use and learn on, they feel great in hand, and i find the layout easy to understand.Lenses make the most difference to any body. While Pentax dont have as many recent lenses as the others brands what they do have covers all the bases,
they are also backwards compatible with all the lenses from Pentax’s film cameras.
Ive recently bought an old 50mm f2 prime for 30euro + postage, sure it has to be manually focused but exposure works fine with camera controls, or can be done manually if you want.
If your into that sort of thing that is ;)Thats my suggestion, for the price you get alot of camera. But i would also suggest you keep looking at some of the underdogs brand wise, sony, olympus and pentax have had to make thier cameras very competitive to catch up to Canon and nikon and even though they are often overlooked, thats where some good bang for buck can be found.
don’t forget the pentax indeed, however if the pentax grabs your eye and theres loads of reasons why it should. Really sturdy weather proofing inbuilt IS and the backwards compatibality of the lenses just to name a few, if those attributes attract you then perhaps you should look at the samsungs. Essentially samsung and pentax are making the exact same cameras. Not quite sure of their relationship but you can get the same bit of kit for less with the samsung. Probably the GX20 for your price range.
I hadn’t quite got your finances when i was looking for a camera, i had narrowed it down to 5 off the top of my head i think they where Canon 450d, nikon d60, sony alpha 350, olympus 510 ? and pentax K10 / k200 but it was the samsung that took my cash in the end.
Hey folks sorry for not replying sooner, but my internet was down. Anyway i ended up purchasing the Canon 450D and i am absolutely delighted with it. ease of use is a big issue for me and i think this camera scores highly in that regard. Thanks for all the info, hopefully i can stick up a few shots ive taken with it soon.
for extra help moving on from an entry level..isuggest a nikon as i find the user interface self explanetory and useful but they always give the option to use it as a professional camera. i am not knocking cannon but i used a nikon d40 and found the ? symbol very useful on the interface..but if possible my best suggestion would be to find like minded people and see if you can have a go of there equiptment for nowdays our hobby is expensive so try find the most productive and economical product availible to you as i find its not the camera that makes the picture but the man or woman behind it.
dont be afraid to test products or be shown a demo in store as i know money is scarce.
the price of a camera may matter to some but to me the best camera i feel comfortable with is the one i know how to use lol.
happy shooting.
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