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When the national trust gets nasty
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A good read Andy and I was wondering about the causeway
On most of these places that the nt own you pay a fee and I suppose
there are terms and conditions printed on the tickets or yearly passes
but with the causeway there is no fee to enter and so no T&C for people(photographers)to read
Any idea of where the public right of way is up around the causeway as I for one would like to take a
photo from this spot and put it up for sale and get a good row goingCathal
A good row, that’s the spirit cathal.
Maybe the DLF and the ULF can join forces and take the NTF down.
The road to the Causeway is a public right of way so the Causeway itself is probably safe to photograph. Photos from the headland path may not be. Othr areas which may be are problematic include Carrick-a-Rede, Downhill Demesne, Binevenagh etc.
It would be good to get a map of these areas which show public right of ways
I remember a guy who built a fence across a right of way that did not get used
But a neighbour told him he could not but it was build anyhow and the neighbour
drove his tractor through it and the cops were called and sided with the tractor owner
It is now used all the time for badness just to annoy the guy who tried to block it offCathal
I have just read that the NT is worth 900million not bad for an organisation that depends on donations
A guy called Tony Sleep has put up an excellent summary of the situation on the AP forums.
– NT assert any photo taken on or from any NT property for commercial purposes is a criminal, not civil, offence. This claim is based on a misrepresentation of a 1965 byelaw.
– NT rules now assert that ANY reproduction, including upload to photosharing and social network sites such as Flickr and Facebook, is forbidden. This is a contract term of admission at NT pay-for-entry sites.
– Recent NT competitions feature a full-on rights grab that allows commercial exploitation of photos by NT and its associated picture library
– NT now insists amateurs may only enter competitions approved by NT. Any competition that is run by a commercial publisher who plans to publish winners’ entries now falls foul of NT rules.
– We have inside information that alleges NT plans to use forthcoming rights-grabbing competitions as a source of stock for the library, promoted by the national press from May and backed by big-name pro’s.
– The pressure on Alamy and attempts to reduce and exploit photographers’ rights appears to be a concerted effort to create a monopoly trading position for NT Picture Library.
NT appear to be trying to restrict photography so, whilst they say they welcome amateur photography at their sites, the only thing you can do with them is put them in a box under the bed or enter camera club competitions.
Another email sent off today
I suggest the ULF and DLF might like to do likewise to
photo.librarynationaltrust.org.uk
Further to my email of 2 days ago which I suspect might take you some time to get around to.Are you aware that a google search for “national trust photography” puts the official NTPL website several places behind these spectacular bits of free publicity? I suspect this is going to get much, much worse and I shall be supporting the campaign here in Northern Ireland
http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/news/10000_photos_in_National_Trust_rights_crackdown_news_281614.html
http://www.bjp-online.com/public/showPage.html?page=852812Regards
Andy McInroy
http://www.andymcinroy.comAnd simply because I feel empowered,
Here’s a highly illegal image that I’m taking out of my shoebox as a martyr to the cause. This was taken from a highly illegal spot and I might well end up at the gallows because of it.
Please feel free to share your banned photos on this thread.
This image is probably legal, for it was taken many years before the NT got the Causeway — unless they think their actions are retrospective.
Alas, time hasn’t been kind to the original Kodachrome — it’s about 50 years old:Brilliant Robert,
Doesn’t it feel great, although perhaps a little bit naughty.
Perhaps if we reprocess all our new digital images in the Kodachrome style like you we’ll be safe from the National Trust Inspectors.
Keep them coming people. Any shot taken on National Trust land will do.
As a parting thought from this thread, I’ll leave you with this.
“For whoever may own the land, no man can own the beauty of the landscape; at all events no man can exclusively own it. Beauty is a king of property which cannot be bought, sold or conveyed in any parchment deed, but it is an inalienable common right; and he who carries the true seeing eyes in his head, no matter how poor he may otherwise be, is the legitimate lord of the landscape.”G.S. Philips
The battle goes on at the RPS forums
http://www.rpsforum.org/showthread.php?t=15317EPUK reports today that the NT has lost one of its own commissioned photographers in protest at the ongoing fiasco.
It looks like Simon Norfolk has left and has painted a very worrying picture of the inner workings of the NTPL.
Report here
http://www.epuk.org/News/928/simon-norfolk-national-trustWhat goes around, comes around-
Andy, you’ve rocked the world…
http://www.largeformatphotography.info/forum/showthread.php?t=49010
Indeed JB,
My posts are getting copied and pasted all over the internet like a virus.
And still I have had no response from the NT.
Apparently they are “aware of me”.
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