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  • brianmacl
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    As I said I sometimes follow up on quotes the guy who requested the quotes was open to chat after the quotes came in. they chose the cheapest, after all anyone can take a picture of a building :) and the person who gave the cheapest quote said listed architecture as one of the specialities he works with.

    brianmacl
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    Sometimes following up can be a good thing, as it allows you work out why you did not get a job, be it price related or what ever else. With this info you can try improve for the next quote. However this should be approached with a health warning, recently myself and a few others I know off were asked to quote for a job (about 20 architectural jobs) the Architectural photogs I know off quoted roughly 10k, some general practitioners quoted 4-6 k but some wally quoted 2 k….. hearing that just made me mad :)

    brianmacl
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    what will your turn over be?
    will you be delivering prints or jpgs?
    rule of thumb if you are charging VAT you can write off the VAT you are charged on business expenses such as gear, diesel, etc against the VAT you take in
    you don’t have to charge VAT if your earnings are bellow a certain level
    check out revenue.ie
    talk to an actual accountant…. you are going to want people to hire a pro rather than doing it themselves, see the value in doing the same thing yourself.

    brianmacl
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    mmmm why not just look at the way the IPPA works:
    members choose categories to be listed under
    must be fully insured
    must be tax compliant
    and has a body of work judged before they can become a member and as they gain experience and skill can put forward other panels to be judged for “promotion in membership level.

    brianmacl
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    my point was that by finding out the use of the photos, you can keep your client happy, make money and keep potential for revenue open. for example, if the client really only wants a few prints and the cd so they can put the images on facebook or email to a friend then you sell them the prints and a cd with low res images at around 1000 x 700 pixels. That way should they wish for larger prints in the future they will come back to you. Also it means that you are not pricing in the use (ie overcharging) when you give them a cd with high res and low res images when all they wanted was low res ones.

    brianmacl
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    So you are turning down any potential future revenue from the pictures? sure why not just give them the copyright too?

    brianmacl
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    On a slight side note, Sometimes you have to talk a client around, it is not always best to give them exactly what they look for…… often when clients give you a list of shots they want that list can be bloody long, they think that if they get you to do loads of shots it will work out better value, however in my case I can take 10 good shots in a “session” or 3 exceptional images in the same time frame. The 3 exceptional images will be better for his marketing.

    brianmacl
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    right so you are a photographer and this guy is in business and wants to use your images on his site?

    okay I have got my head around that bit, so you think he should pay you? but he is giving you exposure and promoting you at the same time as giving you the chance to take more pictures and increase your experience………

    Sorry just taking the mick, right so on a more serious note there are 3 basic answers
    1. it is all about the usage and the value to the business, so the more they use the image the more they pay, so for example rather than giving a license into perpetuity you charge them a set amount per media type per year for usage of each image. Ashley Morrison has some great posts about this.
    2. KISS, keep it simple stupid, give them a single non transferable license to use the images across all media into perpetuity for the purpose of marketing them selves. many really good photographers use this method and charge in the region of €150-250 per image depending on the size of the company looking to use the image and obviously the quality of the image
    3. whatever you can get away with/ whatever they will pay as some of the work is already done….. yeah not a fan of this one

    brianmacl
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    check out the IPPa list of members, otherwise look at inpho, fennell and I am sure there are others… surely you have some ideas what areas you are interested in

    brianmacl
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    The IPPA have run seminars that would help you

    brianmacl
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    what will the images on the cd be used for?
    low res, for facebook?
    mid res, for small prints?
    high res, big prints?
    are each getting a different price as each has a different value to the client?

    brianmacl
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    John17 wrote:

    I think you’re making a mountain out of a mole hill to be quite honest!

    well I disagree strongly with this assessment, for some people images are a way of putting food on the table, paying mortgages, looking after your kids. The more people allow the use of their images slide the more it becomes acceptable for businesses to steal the images. just wondering where do you draw the line regarding the size of the business that is allowed to steel your images? 1-5 employees is okay, 6-20 is a maybe, 20 plus employees is a no no?

    brianmacl
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    your photo , your property ! unless you were commissioned to take the photo for a company and given payment

    ?????
    really???
    unless you are employed to take a photo it is your photo or have signed away the rights, if you are commissioned the image still belongs to you

    brianmacl
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    check out the copyright and related rights act 2000

    they are your images but the likelihood is they did not appreciate copyright law, after all “they are only pictures” :)

    basically if you can prove that you only gave them permission for one use and they went beyond that use or did it for a greater period than your permission allowed then technically they owe you something. whether you get it or not all comes down to your next move.

    By the way, getting them to credit you does not pay the bills, it does not help you start a business, it does not get your name out there, it only helps spread the idea that they are “only pictures”. If you do turn pro you will get under cut by people working for exposure, the people you worked for previously just for some exposure will not value your work and as importantly, your future colleagues will have little or no time for you if they find out.

    brianmacl
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    I will keep you in mind, a lot of Architectural shooters only really do Architecture, it is very specialised. might be worth mailing Ashley, he looks for assistants every now and then

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