But then again, since I didn’t actually indicate what the price should be, then you don’t actually know if the price I would suggest Nicola charges here, would be to high or not !!
Very true just an assumption on my part :)
But I do find your last comment interesting and I’m not sure if it’s tongue in cheek or not ..
So telling her to charge €100 a day or whatever, without first knowing how many images they will require or even knowing what all they will need to use those images for, is totally crazy in my opinion – and a sure way to guarantee that she will fail.
Which I’m actually starting to think is some people’s goal here i.e. advice her badly so as she will fail – and then may be the next time this client will ask me instead. :wink:
I guess we have to different photographers , working at two different levels, with two different ideas on how work should be priced. Ive always liked Ashley’s work and his approach to pricing, but if you were to use his advise on this one you might just price yourself out of the job. Which is not to say that his prices are to high. It’s more of a reflection on how other people see photography and what it’s worth.
On the other hand I would not do this type of work for €100 a day that price in no way reflects the amount of work that will be required, you might think that it’s €300 earned but when you take out travel and all the other costs that you will have to pay plus the time spent editing that €300 will soon look , not so attractive.
Also people are looking for you to deliever images when you are getting paid, so never treat a paid job as practice.
I guess your price might fall somewhere in the middle of both of the above. But what I really think is that the price they want it for will be less than €100 per day!!.
You don’t always have to jump at work offered to you.
Sounds like you are doing some PR work for somebody, which means you charge the people who asked you to cover the events. These images are usually given to the papers for free. If they ask you to charge the paper what they mean is they want you to work for free
It usually costs the PR company more money than getting the newspaper photographer to shoot it for them. A couple of reasons they do this.
1. the local newspaper photographer is rubbish as he or she is a retired person shooting for hardly any money or someone whos shooting for free hoping that one day they will get a job with the paper.
2 They want the use of the images for press releases on a wider base than one paper, maybe their own site etc etc and only want to have the one cost…
The fee is between you and them depending on time and how many shots they want and need and what they are going to do with them. Some pr photographers charge an hourly rate on a down grading scale example first hour € 90 ( some charge more , some charge less ) each hr therafter €65 of half day rates . some charge a set fee ..which I woulnt do as you just never now what will happen at these things something that should take 45 minutes might end up being 3 hours becasue JOE BLOGGS who needs to be in the photo is late…
The paper will want : The who, the why and where it took place in the files, or they simply won’t print the images.
Of course if this info is no use to you at all.. If just wasted 5 minutes of my life :D
It’s unlikely that you will get anywhere near €60-80 per image for a local paper . Heres how it worked for me at biggish paper wont mention them. You were told how many images they wanted from each game, usually this does not include team photo unless it’s a big game . The pay is on a downward scale, lets say they wanted 5 shots the first would be €20 second would be €10 and the other 3 would be €5 an image so you get a grand total of €45 per match. I also did other work for the papers ( not sport) on the same arrangment. If you are shooting local sport make sure that they will give you the after sales and not keep them for themselves as you do get some from junior sport events. Two years after I finished with one paper i did work for they still have my images in their for sale gallery section
Thats how some papers work if they are sending you to cover the game for them, you might have a few games per week to cover so it adds up. You also get mileage per journey, but you need to agree before hand if it’s milage from the game your at if you have 2 games to cover, or from the office. Which can be a huge difference if you are going from one side of the county to the other to cover a game. Then you send time sitting and editing and a dding captions which is standard and expected all for €45 or alittle more
Then you wait for a few weeks to get paid at the start you might not get paid for 2 months as some work on back months.
ps I don’t do this anymore I found it was not worth it over time
There is no such thing as a press pass for local sporting events, Just turn up and shoot GAA can be weird to deal with even at a local level.. some clubs charge a entry fee maybe €5 or €10 which can be costly if you plan to shoot 4/5 games every weekend.
Best thing is just to tell them you are a freelance photographer and you are here to shoot the game of the local papers which wouldn’t be a lie, get some cards printed give them one if you so wish… if you do plan on sending them into the papers you will need names of the players which you can photograph of the team sheets at half time or full time.
Some teams have the numbers on the front of the jersey which is great… and some don’t which means you have to shoot the action, then when you think you got a real keeper shot , you shoot them from the back so you get the numbers..real pain in the ass
If you are talking about accreditation from a sporting body such as the FAI GAA or LoI that is a different kettle of fish, which is usually based on your images that you have to date or the fact that you are covering the game for somebody like a paper or agency.
yes to hang the backdrops on , the PVC pipe will slide through the hard cardboard tube that the paper is rolled around if you get the full width paper roll and cut off a couple of inches on one end you can bring it to any DIY store and match the size with the PVC pipe so its a snug fit works a real treat with no sag in the middle from the weight of the roll itself . just get the pipe and inch or two wider than the backdrop so it fits into the bracket, it might sound a bit DIY but when finished it looks really neat
This is very close to the size i use just alittle smaller. heres how Ive set mine up and it works well especially for high key shots as you wont have the room to do them as they should be done .
Walls and ceiling white as you said , take away the room light that hangs in the middle of the room ” you will need that extra bit of space in height sometimes, to save space when using the backdrops( in my case its setup at the other end of room away from window) buy a PVC pipe and cut it to the entire width of the room so it touches each side wall and use a wall bracket to hold it up this method save you about 3ft of floor space as you wont need to use stands and this means you dont have to worry about fitting in families for group shots…
Buy a white board and use it as the floor save you alot of money as they wipe clean you can tape the paper to the end of the white board you will never see it in the images and it looks very neat to the customer,
two lights is all you need try and attach them to the walls ( saving you more floor space) on one of those pull out arms like a boom i forget the actual name of them.
Make sure your lights are not to high power cause with the white room you get a huge amount of light flying everywhere, when you want a more moody shot flag one side with either a paper( i use grey) or a flag panel .
I think when you have it all setup you will have enough room and more I even have a couch in mine for customers to sit on and have never struggled for space not even once good luck with the venture…
I think your best bet is just a roll of white background paper , most photographers studios are really tight on space and we dont have the space for the typical high key setup the high key look is achieved verily easily with just to lights and then cleaned up a bit in photoshop.
I find when i look around at some people that use the high lite that the train never looks right, ie kids move around alot and drag the train everywhere and it looks messy.. dont be fooled into thinking you need really expensive gadgets to get a look there are many ways to do different things. Its not likely you will ever get to work in an 20×20 10 ft high room to work in , more like 8×6 if you are lucky
I asked for a insurance quote from camerainsurance for PI back in Jan after filling out their online form and then another couple of PM’S on this site which the last one said ” I’ll get one of the girls on it today” meaning Jan 20th I never heard another word- so a few weeks later I called Towergate and was covered within the hour ( never heard back from camera insurance… might be better going to a company that actually wants your business I sometimes wonder what the service would have been like from camera insurance after they got my cash- if the experience before they got it left a lot to be desired