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pixelmadnessMembernfl-fan wrote:
Can’t help but sense the hypocrisy here… you’re a Business Man/Woman coming in here moaning about people moaning. You are complaining about potential customers, people who live in your area… potentially your bread and butter.
Why not take that valuable feedback that you’ve been given first hand and put it to good use (larger corporations actually pay for this type of feedback).
Times are changing… people have their own cameras, pc’s and printers… printing services are everywhere… rather than come in here with your blinkers on why not look at how the market is changing and see can you adapt your business accordingly.
Seems to me it’s you who is looking for a bleeding hearts section… somewhere to take refuge from what is a modernising and changing market place… looking for a pat on the back… “you’re right, they don’t have a clue, customers are ignorant, the should have no quabble coughing up”. You don’t seem interested in addressing the facts presented to you head on with eyes wide open.
I wonder did you go to any effort to market you wares via the school prior to the communion event? Give out leaflets with pricing info, package details, options contact details etc. Selling yourself and letting the product speak for itself.
it seems ur an idiot and did not read or mis read the first post i was not and do not try and flog my work to any schools it not my part of a huge market. you have a chip on shoulders prehaps.. if so chip away you seem to mis under stand the simple fact that professioanl photographers good or bad press the shutter to make money end of story , while you press it for what ever reason.
like an earlier post about someone looking for some photos where a deceased man used to walk for some cards for family and friends , hope that guy charged as much as he can and got it . thats the difference between pressing the shutter for fun and pressing it to pay the bills which you have no concept ofpixelmadnessMembernfl-fan wrote:
after all we would not want people to have to visit their local credit union for a loan just for a portrait
A little respect for those less fortunate than others might not go astray either… would love to know how some of the locals in your town would feel towards you if they read this. You reckon that everyone can stretch their finances to satisfy your sulking demands?
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This is a photography BUSINESS section bleeding hearts section is elsewhere
pixelmadnessMemberShe also said that the communion was costing €11,500,00 !!!! ……….. crazy or what!
Now whats €25.00 extraI agree I wouldnt even do a 10×8 for 25 euros Id send them to pixiefoto or the local passport photo booth which might be better for their needs , after all we would not want people to have to visit their local credit union for a loan just for a portrait especially since they are after going to the expence of everything else especially that 30 euro video which will never be watched again. sometimes i really wonder..
I dont have problems with people doing for themselves, after all i paint my own house , built my own studio, print my own work, but i do not complain about the price the local painter charges, nor the local builder, nor the local printers.
I just do for myself what i can.Gerry i think the days of communion/prostitution” are done away with, the idea of going to the church on the day makes the hairs on my neck stand up. besides who wants to see the Father with a bigger lens than you have .
speaking of bigger lens. my son recently won their football league and after they where looking for a pic to be taken i had my simple ( small) lens with me the guy next to me had a big lens.
Who do you think their coach asked to take the pic. you just gotta laugh
pixelmadnessMembercwalsh wrote:
Hi all, I am new to the site so not completely sure how this works. I have just completed a FETAC Cert in Film Photography but would like to know what sort of qualifications I would need to start working as a portrait, wedding photography on a part-time basis. I am a qualified engineer but would like to eventually change careers but not quite sure how to go about it, ie, what qualifications needed and equipment would eventually need and how to get started in general. I would appreciate any help on this matter. Thanks in advance
hi cwalsh. I sometimes laugh when i see this type of post , because it remind me of myself about 3 yrs ago firstly let me say that will be hard if not impossible to get anyone to take you as a back up shooter for you to gain experience for one reason or another.
If id have known this i would have save valuable time , they (photographers) just wont do it. you may get an offer if you have long enough to wait . but in the mean time im going to tell you how to get started and not tell you all the things that will or could go wrong so it does not discourage you..
Because being a photographer is the best job there is.
Firstly don’t waste your time doing things that wont make you money like shooting models unless you are really great you wont make a living from it, its for the chosen few.Right im sure others will tell how do it and there may be many ways but heres what worked for me.
1. Get a good camera. Whats a good camera ? people will say u need the top of the range making it already difficult for you. Well the truth is you don’t a canon 10d ( not what I use) will set you back about 400 euros and it will be good enough to get you started and it will give a great large print.
2 get some studio and a good flash for fill flash , total for both under 1000 euros.
3. Practice practice and practice
4 . build a small folio make sure it is of what you going to target. If its kids family portraits do them, not pics of the local team sounds simple , but you would be amazed at what people do.
5 put yourself out there don’t let people tell you it cant be done, cause it can one year from now you could be in a different job
6. No matter what people say about what price you should be charging , don’t over price yourself. don’t expect to be getting 2000 for a wedding anybody getting that has years of experience and that’s what they charge for….
If you can make a profit doing it for 1000 do it,
500 do it …..it’s a business not a hobby the big pay day will come, also consider doing some for free to gain experience.
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7 copy other photographers styles especially ones that make money from photography they already have the experience of what sells and what does not sell
8. Finally believe in your self if you can dream it you can do it
I know of a course that can help you out in video that you get in you mail box pm if you are interested ill give you the link, its got nothing to do with me but ill pass it on and its free .
pixelmadnessMember:lol: Vitoldus thats why its important to fly with eagles and not peck with sparrows
pixelmadnessMemberpixelmadnessMemberhttp://wedding-photographers-directory.com/contracts.aspx
This should get you sorted just copy any you like edit to suit yourself and hey bingo wedding contract.. good luck with the weddings
pixelmadnessMemberwhen you think wedding you think of lots of things that can go wrong.. but a missing Groom never entered into my head. when i did my first wedding i had a check card printed out gave it to my wife and she told me which shot was next worked a treat for formal shots didnt miss one
pixelmadnessMemberif it is commerical work that you are doing id say your best bet is to work out your daily rate ie How much do you think your worth, your time , your skill , your ability, travel time , processing time, returning your work to them this al takes valuable time from other things and someone needs to pay for it.
im always weary of someone that askes for an hr rate. for instance today i was asked to do some childrens portraits there was no mention of money or time just that they wanted me to do them and that they did not want a studio type shot
like when people say sure it only takes 250th of a second, flash sync speed lol to take a portrait why do they cost so much
when i go to the doctor he charges me 70 quid for less than five minutes.. well of course im paying for his experience and knowledge people should expect no less when they hire youpixelmadnessMemberpixelmadnessMemberThorsten wrote:
MarieC wrote:
I was planning on shooting in raw but I have read an article and that wedding photog shoots in jpeg…..any advice on which was best….I know jpeg will give me more shots but raw seems like a more sensible option to me.
I’ve read articles that wedding photographers shoot RAW :wink: Of course, I’ve also read articles that they shoot JPEG. It depends on the individual photographer. I personally find RAW a quicker way to work and with about 20GB worth of CF cards, I’m not likely to run out of memory (I don’t “machine-gun” shoot either!).
I was talking to a wedding photographer at Focus on Imaging who shoots weddings in JPEG mode and he told me that he usually captures between 3000 and 4000 images at a typical wedding. For every image he takes three shots, using auto-bracketing, to ensure he’s got the correct exposure. He said it’s faster this way than shooting RAW. I remain unconvinced that sifting through 4000 to select a couple of hundred good ones is the way to go!
If you dont shoot raw i think your only asking for trouble down the road if anything goes wrong.. i just cant imagine sitting down to go image by image 3000/4000 of them . just on another issue regarding photos and shots taken the word of the day should be BACK UP YOUR FILES learned this the very hard way… my work flow now is .
1 download raw images to computer.
2. download raw images to laptop or external hard dive.( then do not touch them.)
3 process raw images from computer to jpeg or another form , but in another album on computer for work in PS.
4 put onto CD
Then only then delete from camera. i know it seems simple and u all know it but if someone had told me a year ago it would have saved much embrassment to me when my computer crashed ….now i go on the side of caution so remember back up back up back up your files……..pixelmadnessMemberThe reason i asked was that i just turned one down the other half things i was mad, meet the couple went well agreed terms , next day signed contracts got deposit , great stuff good business laughed together told themwhat id do even threw in a free hour at home on morning of wedding ….. couple happy ….photographer happy
then i felt like i was being stalked the phones calls started can we do this can we have that extra can you give us an extra parents album for this price can we change everything around that we basically agreed in our first metting.
i was calm told them that this is why we had our first meeting and we really should have discused all these things then but being professional sorted it out , threw in free photos for the other parents album they where happy again sorted ……
No after five more phone calls wanting more changes
now reaching about 20 intotal after we had signed the contracts i finally got fed up and gave them back their deposit am i mad really had a bad feeling about them in the end it was a relief to get them away from me I was just glad that i did not have a rabbit and a big pot ….what a long 2 days………
pixelmadnessMembersingle frame shots, and on multiple seems to just to get frozen , will press down but does not shoot does anyone know of a good repair person for canon other than canon themselves as 20d is well out of warrenty
pixelmadnessMemberKevin thank you so much for the detailed answer all i can say is top man.
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