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August 9, 2013 at 10:46 am

Ashley you are right in how it finished up. Darek, you are right in how it started off. Let me try to explain.

I was not sure I could deliver photos that the artist would want to use. I knew they would be better than he had, but I was also worried/scared about photographing an artists work and making it look like he wanted. So I quoted him 150 for some photos (3-6 was mentioned at one stage) It was low but I figured it would get a few bucks and I could practice and learn, so I was not that worried. You could say that the 150 was work for hire price.

I delivered 75 proofs .

Because I had licensed a photo to this artist before, He expected/knew that the 150 was the price for using 3-6 photos on his web site (it was not a written contract) He liked most of the photos and wanted to use 10 on his site. He asked me would I do a deal for using more than the initial 3-6 to which I said yes.

Now if he had not been aware of the idea of licensing the images he would have walked off with 10 or all the images and I would have got 150 and been none the wiser and out of pocket. Because of the previous deal he expected to pay for the use of the images. He asked me for a price to use more images than had initially been talked about. (honest ethical man)

So definitely pricing for use of images is a win win situation. I do completely understand the idea of quoting a day rate or half day rate because its a tangible thing that you can get your head around and the client can get their head around. I don’t think you could use a useage fee type pricing structure for a party or reunion etc, but in this instance you can certainly see the benefit of it versus a fixed fee.

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August 8, 2013 at 1:58 pm

Hi Nicola, I’m guessing at this stage the deal is either done for the horse show shoot.
I have been following this post with interest and I am going to add something from a recent shoot I did.
About a year ago I got an e mail from a nephew of a very good friend of mine. He saw a photo I took of one of his sculptures and asked about using it on his website. I quoted him €50 for 2 years use. He was happy with that. A few weeks ago he contacted me again and wanted ‘some’ photos to update his website.
Those were to be detail photos of some of his work, showing texture, form etc. and some of him working.
I told him I had not done that kind of photography, but he said ‘I know you will get good pictures for me’. Against what Gerry advises I said I would do it, and I treated it as a learning exercise . I figured 1/2 day shooting 1/2 day editing. and quoted €150 with no guarantee of useable images. ( I took much longer shooting)
I delivered 75 images , many of which were almost identical, with only slight changes of lighting and position for each piece.
I got an e mail from the artist, saying the photos were great and just what he was looking for. He said, ‘I had originally planned on using 4 or 5 as a slide show, but there are 10 I really like. I know your usual useage fee is €50, but could we do a deal for 10 images.’

We are working on a deal where he will contact me when he has some new pieces and I will photograph them for a flat fee, and he can have on his own computer to show potential clients, We will have a kind of rolling license deal where every year he pays for the use of 10 images which I will take at various stages and he can upload to his website as he chooses.

I left a lot of money on the table and the artist came back and gave it back to me , along with a potential long term deal.
I am in no way advocating accepting work you cant deliver or doing work on a handshake, but in this instance, had I not licensed a previous image to the artist, I would have left with €150 (and been happy to have been paid to experiment and learn)

So maybe Nicola if you have not already quoted, then you might quote a creative fee for your days to cover expenses etc and a useage fee for any images that they use.

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June 28, 2013 at 10:14 am

have seen this info elsewhere, web owner does not seem very co-operative

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June 28, 2013 at 10:13 am

you can try here also, select custom pricing , dont know whether its hi or low though
http://goo.gl/BdcQA” onclick=”window.open(this.href);return false;

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June 17, 2013 at 1:30 pm

really great work brendan, I’m not so sure about the frame on the second one though. I think the frame detracts from the image

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June 17, 2013 at 1:27 pm

well done

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June 12, 2013 at 10:39 am

http://www.talentcircle.org/canon-5d-underwater-housing-for-6048-posting-details.aspx” onclick=”window.open(this.href);return false; old but they may have up to date info

might be worth contacting those guys http://www.filmequipmenthire.com/Cameras.html” onclick=”window.open(this.href);return false;

those guys say world wide, but prices a bit mad ( I think ) you might be better to hire beasley and ‘borrow’ his kit if he allows it :)

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June 12, 2013 at 10:29 am

Just had a quick brouse through, 11 looks really good,

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June 12, 2013 at 10:26 am

I saw a post recently on face book I think about some project here in ireland, where they scan old negs . If I remember correctly they were trying to build up an archive of life in ireland from photos. I’m not sure if any of your negs fall into this category.

Found it
http://www.galleryofphotography.ie/events/irish_photo_album.html” onclick=”window.open(this.href);return false;

looks like the numbers you are talking about fall outside their remit for this , but they may have some advice on bulk scanning if they are doing this as a country wide project.

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May 25, 2013 at 3:48 pm

thats a delicate subject I would suspect Gerry, and probably for a different forum

Derek, agree with what you do. I always think of it as post processing which is an absolute necessity. I suppose it is all these “words” that probably are the same but can be understood in different ways. I’m always thinking of editing as slimming down the person, removing unwanted objects, getting rid of facial blemishes, acne, scars, etc, taking out the boyfriend or girlfriend who have been dumped since that wedding, replacing backgrounds, etc. These are an added cost because I, as a photographer, would not have been the person responsible for them – if you get my drift ….. and as for permanent scars – I will not take them out unless asked to and will always point out that their removal will draw more attention to them than leaving them in. Slimming down the person can also cause the same effect! (LOL)

The post processing (as I call it) will not take too long at all ….. that is white balance (even though I will usually get that pretty accurate at taking), finer colour correction, levels, curves, crop, exposure balance, density, etc. A full wedding will take about 3 hours while a communion sitting take me about 10 minutes.

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I think its the terminology, i was using editing instead of retouching so it was my fault at the outset, although the info on post processing was very insightful too , from all of you.
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May 25, 2013 at 12:53 pm

Thanks Gerry, Noel and Darek, for the replies,
I was not talking about tweeking levels wb or any of those things, or general composition etc. They would be a given.

Its the difference between editing and retouching, so maybe my question should have been , how long do you spend retouching

those two sum it up best

So …….. after all that, my best advice is that editing is expected in commercial, fashion and model photography and can be budgeted for in the shoot, but for the everyday communions, weddings, family events, schools, etc editing should be the exception rather than the rule as you will be eating into your own profits. Get it at the shooting stage and try to keep editing to an absolute minimum.

For me it is working on WB, levels,colours not remowing spots,or make skin plastic looks (it is editing but if you will do it to every person on every shot it is going to be crazy job:))

Sometimes that could be making the skin look less plastic :)

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May 24, 2013 at 7:20 pm

Thanks Johnny, I’ll see if i can get the other to show up, but rest assured you will like it even less :)

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May 24, 2013 at 5:43 pm

Thanks noel,
I Know i would not have got paid enough for doing it (in this case I did not mind)
I guess its a case of as you say, doing enough, and learning how to take charge of a situation.
Something else to add to business plan.

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May 18, 2013 at 12:44 pm

really class
well done
I’m guessing the ones on f b aint anywhere even close to yours though

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May 18, 2013 at 12:09 pm

Got to agree, its a personal thing,
I don’t do it that often, but sometimes I do a bit of it where I mask in the b/w at a low opacity to deemphasize/desaturate a background , like here
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=517935198264447&set=a.500588559999111.1073741831.500380943353206&type=1&theater” onclick=”window.open(this.href);return false;